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Old 03-20-2016, 04:45 PM   #61
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I'm not sure what you mean by "real tow weights."

If you mean realistic, on-the-road weights of a loaded trailer, the best resource is the sticky thread "Trailer Weights in the Real World" in the General Chat section of this forum. I don't know if there is much data on Olivers, though- there aren't that many out there.

But if you mean information about the real tow rating of a vehicle, as well as any optional equipment required to achieve that rating, the owner's manual is the place to go. Manuals for most late models are available online, so you can read the fine print before you buy. You may have had a different experience, but I have found dealers surprisingly unhelpful. In the best case, they can't tell you anything beyond or in contradiction of the owner's manual. The lawyers won't allow them to...
Jon,

The info I sought came directly from Toyota and, after by-passing the call center reps, spoke directly with a technical specialist. He was very helpful explaining the various components of towing with my specific SUV based on the VIN#. I also questioned if I needed any additional equipment to tow the Ollie. Sorry if I made any implication that I spoke with the dealer. I did not. I do understand the limitations of a dealer and the value of the owner's manual. Thanks
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Old 03-20-2016, 05:01 PM   #62
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I'm in the market for a trailer. We've been looking at the Oliver Legacy II Elite. It has a GVWR of 7000 lbs. We're also in the market for a tow vehicle. We're thinking of a diesel Grand Cherokee Jeep 4x4. It has a tow rating of 7200 lbs. Do you think the think the Grand Cherokee will tow it well?
The dry weight is 4600 lbs. for the Elite II. You'd need to carry a lot of stuff in addition to filled tanks to exceed 7000 lbs., right?
What about a Toyota, Sequoia? You could sleep in that thing if Sasquatch comes knocking on your Ollie door!!!!
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Old 03-29-2016, 07:42 AM   #63
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The April issue of Trailer Life has a review of a 2016 Toyota Tacoma pulling an Oliver legacy ll. Said it did great, so I imagine it would pull the 18' just great.
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Old 03-29-2016, 08:04 AM   #64
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It is true there are many tow vehicles on the market which can pull either of the Oliver travel trailers. For me the greater concern would be the ability to stop while navigating a steep decline. As well as the ability to maintain solid directional control during adverse conditions such as a slippery road surface or strong cross winds. For some of us, camping is a part time activity so we are occasional users of the skills needed to safely tow a travel trailer during challenging conditions. It is during those times when I would seek an extra margin of safety from my tow vehicle.
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Old 03-30-2016, 07:38 AM   #65
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My Legacy Elite II came off the line at 4875 and a tongue weight of 480. I tried a WDH for awhile but it was a pain so I had air bags installed and they do a great job leveling the truck.


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Old 03-30-2016, 09:39 AM   #66
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My Legacy Elite II came off the line at 4875 and a tongue weight of 480. I tried a WDH for awhile but it was a pain so I had air bags installed and they do a great job leveling the truck.


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Thanks trumpetguy!
So that 5355# includes all options but no water, propane or personal/camping gear?
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Old 03-30-2016, 10:46 AM   #67
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I don't understand the significance of summing the trailer weight with the tongue weight.
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Old 03-30-2016, 10:59 AM   #68
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There are three weights to consider; axle weight, tongue weight, and trailer weight, which is the sum of the other two. I think some folks confuse axle weight and trailer weight, at least in terminology.

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Old 03-30-2016, 11:15 AM   #69
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I don't understand the significance of summing the trailer weight with the tongue weight.
To figure the cargo capacity.... gross vehicle weight rating - as built curb weight = how much stuff you can put into it.
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Old 03-30-2016, 11:21 AM   #70
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Ah yes. I should have included that.
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I still don't see a meaning in summing GVW and tongue weights.
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I still don't see a meaning in summing GVW and tongue weights.
GVM or curb weight includes the tongue and axle weights.
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Old 03-30-2016, 12:59 PM   #73
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I think that I'm catching on. I missed the meaning of:

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My Legacy Elite II came off the line at 4875 and a tongue weight of 480. ...
I thought that " came off the line at 4875 " meant that the trailer weighs 4,875. Now I understand that that actually means when weighed at the wheels only it weighs 4,875 and to get the actual weight you add the tongue weight.

My hitch is labeled for "max gross trailer weight" and "max tongue weight". I guess I didn't realize that "partial trailer weight" is of interest.

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Old 03-30-2016, 04:44 PM   #74
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No. THe trailer weight and tongue weight are two different things. I just posted the tongue weight for information.

I don't get adding the two together either .


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No. THe trailer weight and tongue weight are two different things. I just posted the tongue weight for information.

I don't get adding the two together either .


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You certainly didn't. Message #66 ( http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f...tml#post578719 ) was what confused me.

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Yes there's no reason to combine the two. You're confused because they shouldn't be combined.

The trailer weight is the entire weight of the trailer. The tongue weight is just how much of that weight is resting on the hitch of your tow vehicle.

So if you wanted to be more accurate, you could actually subtract tongue weight from trailer weight, if you were looking to see how much weight was on the trailer axle while connected to the tow vehicle. Which is a number that doesn't really do you much good...but it makes more sense than adding the two together.
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My Legacy Elite II came off the line at 4875 and a tongue weight of 480. I tried a WDH for awhile but it was a pain so I had air bags installed and they do a great job leveling the truck.


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Sorry, I read this as 4875 and 480...
When I weigh my rig I pull on to the scale and record the axle weights then drop the tongue onto the scale platform to get the total weight, subtract the two to see what the tongue weight is.
So 4875 is the total as delivered weight sitting on a scale - got it.
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Yep. 4875 is on the MSO. Oliver has a tongue weight scale at the factory and I asked them to check it for me. That was prior to filling the Two 30 pound propane tanks so I guess that increases it somewhat, but I carry stuff in the back of the trailer so who knows what it is. The main thing is to keep the truck level for braking and steering which my air bags do quite well.

There is a discussion in progress about the Anderson WDH over on the Oliver forum that may answer some questions.


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Old 03-31-2016, 07:21 AM   #79
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I'd like to check the tongue weight of my Bigfoot. Once I decided I was going to buy a trailer, I installed airbags in my Tacoma. They aren't cheap! When I towed it home, my bags were only inflated to 5lbs, and there was no sag at all in the rear suspension.

It was a quick trip up to Canada to buy it, then dark by the time we finished the deal, then I hurried back. I kept meaning to stop and air up the bags a little but never got around to it, and finally noticed it didn't really look like I needed to...

I mean maybe 5lbs is all it takes, but I kind of feel like if there's that little weight on my tongue, I probably didn't need the airbags. But I should probably also work on getting a little more weight on the tongue.

I think in the long run I'll be happy I installed them, but if I look at from a perspective of money well spent...I could have put that almost $400 to much better use.

Oh well.
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The best way would be to measure tongue weight with a Sherline Scale

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They aren't cheap though, unless you already have access to one.
Otherwise two measurements on a CAT scale and subtraction will get you close.
But maybe you know all that.

Oh, also using a jack and a high range bathroom scale will work. Just make sure the trailer is level.

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