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04-20-2018, 04:51 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Martin
Trailer: 1981 Boler
British Columbia
Posts: 5
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Torsion to leaf-spring axle conversion ?
I am in the process of rebuilding my Boler frame and since my stock Boler torsion axles are shot I thought it might be a cool idea to replace them with a conventional leafspring axle to get some addition height
has anyone else swapped successfully from the torsion to a conventional axle on a 13' boler?
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04-20-2018, 06:26 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Mike
Trailer: Escape 21 & Jeep GC 5.7 (Previous 2012 Casita FD17 & 2010 Audi Q5)
Puget Sound, WA
Posts: 1,775
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin.peacey
I am in the process of rebuilding my Boler frame and since my stock Boler torsion axles are shot I thought it might be a cool idea to replace them with a conventional leafspring axle to get some addition height
has anyone else swapped successfully from the torsion to a conventional axle on a 13' boler?
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First post! Welcome out from the shadows Martin!
I don't know whether anyone has done this. Personally, I've been impressed with torsion suspension since I first learned about the setup on my Dad's 1965 Dodge Dart. If you buy a torsion axle, you can have it set up at various angles to achieve different ride heights.
Utility Trailer Axles,*Spring Vs. Torsion: What's The Big Deal?
Naturally, the choice is yours, and you may have other goals in mind.
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04-20-2018, 07:09 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2008 Casita 17 ft Spirit Deluxe
Posts: 2,020
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Dexter Torq-flex axles are ok, and there's a lot of them out there, but if I ever had to rebuild or replace my axle/suspension, it would definitely be with a solid axle and leaf springs.
Don't have a Boler, but a lot of people have done this mod on their Casitas, and love it.
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04-20-2018, 07:18 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Martin
Trailer: 1981 Boler
British Columbia
Posts: 5
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I was thinking going the solid axle leaf spring route for two reasons
1)keep the cost down a bit
2)increase the ride height allowing me to take it more places camping.
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04-20-2018, 07:20 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,962
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Torsion to leaf-spring axle conversion ?
I'm a fan of rubber torsion suspensions, too, for their smooth, quiet ride and independent action.
As Mike says you can order different start angles on the axle arms to give you as much additional clearance as any reasonable person might want.
You can also install a Flexi-Ride axle, with user adjustable start angle. Set it low for better aerodynamics and easier step-in on that cross-country highway trip, and raise it up when you head into the backcountry.
With a leaf spring axle you can raise the cabin, but you have to use larger tires to get more clearance under the axle beam.
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04-21-2018, 06:41 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,962
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Casita Greg
Dexter Torq-flex axles are ok, and there's a lot of them out there, but if I ever had to rebuild or replace my axle/suspension, it would definitely be with a solid axle and leaf springs.
Don't have a Boler, but a lot of people have done this mod on their Casitas, and love it.
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Would you mind elaborating, Greg? What is the improvement? Would you also add shock absorbers?
For anyone... I'm also wondering whether the door cutout in the frame creates any issues mounting leaf spring axles on 13' Scamp/Boler trailers?
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04-21-2018, 10:14 AM
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Member
Name: William
Trailer: 13' Perris Pacer
California
Posts: 46
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My Perris Pacer, similar to a Boler, originally came from the factory with leaf springs. On very smooth roads, it towed perfectly. However, on less-than-perfect roads, that trailer bounced down the road, lurched from side-to-side, and even fishtailed if only one tire found a bump or pothole. Fortunately for me, the frame developed a stress crack and the entire frame was replaced under warranty. The replacement frame featured a torsion axle. WHAT AN IMPROVEMENT! The trailer's torsion suspension soaked up bumps like a luxury car. I might add, no frame cracks in the last 40+ years, either.
If you decide to go with the leaf springs, make sure your springs are NOT too beefy for your 13 foot featherweight, and make sure you include shock absorbers to control the bouncing.
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04-21-2018, 10:35 AM
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Junior Member
Name: Bruce
Trailer: Boler
Alberta
Posts: 8
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Hi Martin, if you change to leaf springs I suggest having the springs mounted on top of the axle for added clearance and you might have room for 15 in tires if so desired. I have done that to my 17ft Boler and like it except I had leaf springs to begin with.
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04-21-2018, 11:16 AM
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Member
Name: James Y.
Trailer: Companion
Ohio
Posts: 83
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Leaf Springs
I don't know what my Companion came with from the factory, but last winter I changed out the untrue axle and leaf springs with new of both. It seems that the key to a good ride is the amount of leaves and capacity. The new leaf springs and uncambered axle handled great to Arizona and back.
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04-21-2018, 03:53 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 2008 Casita 17 ft Spirit Deluxe
Posts: 2,020
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon in AZ
Would you mind elaborating, Greg? What is the improvement? Would you also add shock absorbers?
For anyone... I'm also wondering whether the door cutout in the frame creates any issues mounting leaf spring axles on 13' Scamp/Boler trailers?
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The leaf spring suspension will give a better ride, but there is a caveat to that. If your leaf springs aren't sized for your trailer weight, then they can be too stiff and won't give you the suspension you may be looking for.
They will give you added lift over a Dexter Torque Flex rubber axle, even if the axle is "over slung" above the leaf springs. Under slinging may give you more lift than you may want.
IMO, having shock absorbers is always better than not having shock absorbers, for dampening the "bucking bronco" repetitive bouncing inherent to any undampened suspension system. Most small trailers seldom have them from the factory, but the same rules apply to trailer bounce as would apply to a car or truck without shocks. For a weekend trash trailer or firewood hauler, it probably wouldn't be worth it, but for a travel trailer, I would say they would be a good addition.
FWIW, I have the after-market shock kit and, to my observation, really does make quite a bit of difference in the ride. I can tell because I don't find all my cushions all over the floor and cabinets open when I get to where I'm going any more.
Not being a Scamp or Boler owner, I can't speak to whether or not there may be specific issues to mounting them on those trailers, since I only know that they work well on a Casita, as attested to by several people have done that mod successfully. I guess it would entail a bit of measuring to ascertain whether or not it would be feasible with another brand of trailer before you start such a project.
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06-17-2018, 12:24 AM
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Junior Member
Name: Martin
Trailer: 1981 Boler
British Columbia
Posts: 5
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just an update
turns out there is a company in Langley BC that could and did make me a new torsion axle
I gained my increased ride height (and adjusted for the new axles slightly shorter arms) by first mounting a 3' long 2"x4" HSS to the bottom of the frame and mounting the axles to that
I have gained a substantial amount of height that can be adjusted higher or lower (the new torsion axle is adjustable )
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06-18-2018, 08:04 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,962
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Sounds like you went with the Flexi-Ride axle.
Out of curiosity, what weight rating did you specify? I'd love a performance report after you get some miles on it.
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06-18-2018, 09:17 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Patricia
Trailer: 1975 Ventura
Ontario
Posts: 353
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin.peacey
just an update
turns out there is a company in Langley BC that could and did make me a new torsion axle
I gained my increased ride height (and adjusted for the new axles slightly shorter arms) by first mounting a 3' long 2"x4" HSS to the bottom of the frame and mounting the axles to that
I have gained a substantial amount of height that can be adjusted higher or lower (the new torsion axle is adjustable )
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I am in the Vancouver area for the next little while and need to get a new axle. Could you share the name of the company that did your axle? Did you have to wait a while to get it in to be done?
At present my trailer only has a straight axle and I was leaning toward a leaf spring. I do not want added height because I am towing with a car that is quite low. Do you know if I can get either of these axle upgrades without a height increase and having to replace my almost new tires?
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06-18-2018, 10:19 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,962
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Patricia D.
...At present my trailer only has a straight axle and I was leaning toward a leaf spring. I do not want added height because I am towing with a car that is quite low...
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A straight axle is a type of leaf spring axle. Perhaps you mean you currently have a rubber torsion axle?
Going from a torsion axle to a straight (leaf spring) axle, you will almost certainly gain height. A drop axle (another type of leaf spring axle) might be possible.
The shop will be able to advise you what options are feasible with your trailer and frame.
My preference for a small, lightweight, molded trailer remains a torsion axle. Shoot- even Airstream uses torsion axles!
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06-18-2018, 11:20 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Patricia
Trailer: 1975 Ventura
Ontario
Posts: 353
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Jon, my trailer is a 1975 Ventura and I can see no sign of springs. I have to assume that they originally did not do anything fancy in the way of axles.I need an axle because the existing one is apparently abrading the bottom of the trailer, according to the person who just did my brakes.
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06-19-2018, 06:48 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,962
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Patricia, the lack of visible springs means what you've got is a torsion axle, which uses rubber cords inside the axle tube in place of springs and shock absorbers. Over time the rubber wears out, and that's why your tires are rubbing. Here's a short video showing how torsion axles work:
Rubber torsion axles have a lifespan of 15-20 years, but can last well beyond that with gradually diminishing ride quality. Yours is definitely in the "well-beyond" stage. Advantages include simplicity, compactness, and ride quality, due to the fact that the left and right side move independently. Disadvantage is they eventually have to be replaced. They are also more expensive.
Leaf spring axles can last essentially forever with maintenance, but I have seen enough broken springs and shackles in campgrounds to know that many don't. Main advantage is cost.
I encourage you to discuss the pros and cons of each axle type with an installer who is knowledgable and experienced with molded fiberglass trailers. Whichever type you get, it should be rated for the actual GVW of your trailer with some margin to allow for weight variation and unequal left/right loading. For a 13' molded fiberglass trailer that typically means around 2000 pounds.
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06-19-2018, 06:52 PM
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#17
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Junior Member
Name: Martin
Trailer: 1981 Boler
British Columbia
Posts: 5
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Pacific spring and axle in langley made mine
was about a 2 week lead time from order to pickup because they were busy
actual build time is only like 2 days if no-one is ahead of you
I paid 590 ish taxes in for mine
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06-20-2018, 12:32 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Patricia
Trailer: 1975 Ventura
Ontario
Posts: 353
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Thanks, Martin
Did you take the trailer there when you made the initial contact so they could see what had to be done and take measurements? Also, what weight rating does yours have eg: 2000, 3500lbs?
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