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10-22-2010, 05:28 PM
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Junior Member
Trailer: 13 ft Scamp
Posts: 2
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Towing 13' in snow
Hello,
I recently bought a 13' Scamp to use as a "ski cabin" for the winter. Having never towed anything before, I was wondering whether folks, carried chains for the trailer. I know for cars, chains go on the driving axle. Didn't know if chains were necessary to create extra traction.
Thanks,
Becca
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10-22-2010, 07:02 PM
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#2
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Senior Member
Trailer: 16 ft Casita Spirit Deluxe
Posts: 1,043
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeccaC
Hello,
I recently bought a 13' Scamp to use as a "ski cabin" for the winter. Having never towed anything before, I was wondering whether folks, carried chains for the trailer. I know for cars, chains go on the driving axle. Didn't know if chains were necessary to create extra traction.
Thanks,
Becca
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Becca.....
No chains on trailers. Not as far as i ever seen except for maybe some logging trails in the back woods. I drove semi's for the better part of thirty years and will say that trailers and snow are a bad combination that improves with experience. Being you never towed before please be extra careful and slow down a lot. You will find when in snow and you apply the brakes a little too hard that the trailer will start to swing around and one of the ways to stop it is to take your foot off the brake to get it back to tracking behind the tow vehicle...... find yourself a large parking lot and wait for it to snow and then practice there to see how it will react. slushy snow is not too bad but a hard packed frozen snow ( no spray coming off the rear of truck tires when they pass you)is not safe and probably better to pull off and wait for the salt trucks.......... experience is the best teacher and it's hard to tell all here in a short paragraph.
Joe
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10-22-2010, 08:37 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Boler 1300 1973
Posts: 114
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Like Joe said, no chains. I'm used to pull a trailer with snowmobiles on it.
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Boler 1300 1973
Jeep Wrangler 2dr 2012
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10-22-2010, 08:52 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Scamp
Posts: 7,056
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BeccaC
Hello,
I recently bought a 13' Scamp to use as a "ski cabin" for the winter. Having never towed anything before, I was wondering whether folks, carried chains for the trailer. I know for cars, chains go on the driving axle. Didn't know if chains were necessary to create extra traction.
Thanks,
Becca
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The question is does the trailer have brakes. If so then, down here in Oregon chains would be required on the trailer when chains are required on the tow. At least that's my understanding of the law.
Without brakes on the trailer chains on the trailer make no sense.
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10-22-2010, 08:53 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jesse
Trailer: 1984 Scamp 13'
Maryland
Posts: 815
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If there is snow under your trailer tires, you have gone too far north! Turn around!
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10-23-2010, 07:06 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 16 ft Casita Spirit Deluxe
Posts: 1,043
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Another thing to consider is how much room do you have between the tire and the fiberglass....I have about 1-1/2" of clearance in the frontmost part of my tire. Wouldn't take much to chew up the fiberglass.
Joe
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10-23-2010, 09:16 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1974 Boler 13 ft (Neonex/Winnipeg)
Posts: 3,008
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Another note is that snow often means road salt. These trailers are not made with a super robust frame to begin with (they are made to be light and economical), so you don't have a lot of "extra" material to lose to rust. Also, there are likely areas where it is easy for the salt to get in and collect (crevices, tubing).
Just something to think about in your maintenance and preparation.
For myself, I lived (and drove) most of my life in snow country, and I feel pretty good about driving in snow, yet a trailer.... no thank you! (I have done it; but would not plan it on purpose.) If you are planning to tow up once in fall and down in spring, then I think I would just watch for a good weather window and avoid the snow. If it's for weekends.... I'd be tempted to get a van or similar and not tow a trailer.
Raya
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10-23-2010, 10:48 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Cyndi
Trailer: 2010 Scamp 5th Wheel/2019 Toyota Tundra
Iowa
Posts: 1,105
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When we pulled our 13' Scamp home from Backus, MN we hit a snow storm in Rochester all the way back to Decorah, IA. Then last April, moving back from Montana we got to pull a 12' Uhaul moving trailer from Dickinson to Bismark, ND in a snow storm on our way back to Iowa. People in ditches, iodiots passing you, power lines going down, white outs. My children give me enough gray hair.
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10-23-2010, 08:25 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Toyota Sunrader and 16 ft Scamp
Posts: 975
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I started a big argument on this very subject a few years ago. My trailer has brakes so I always chain the trailer when chains are required on my vehicle. If I should happen to stop unexpectedly I don't want my trailer to try to pass me.
If your trailer has brakes you need to chain it when you have to chain the TV.
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10-24-2010, 06:52 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 16 ft Scamp Deluxe
Posts: 25,697
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Raya L.
Another note is that snow often means road salt.
Raya
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I see Becca is in Washington state. Don't know about Washington, but in Oregon we DON'T salt our roads. It's an environmental issue and you may know, Oregonians are tree huggers.
However, if I either lived on the coast (salt air) OR thought I'd be pulling a trailer on salted roads, I'd keep in mind the message Raya is conveying... frame maintenance and then paint the entire frame with POR15.
YMMV
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Ten Forward - 2014 Escape 5.0 TA
Double Yolk - 1988 16' Scamp Deluxe
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10-24-2010, 07:19 AM
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Member
Trailer: 2000 17 ft Burro Widebody (bought in Ohio. Drove home Spring 2009!)
Posts: 76
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mcbrew
If there is snow under your trailer tires, you have gone too far north! Turn around!
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there is s(no)w hope for me then...
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10-24-2010, 07:41 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1988 Perris Pacer ('Bean') / 2004 Element
Posts: 1,109
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Bazinga!
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10-24-2010, 12:21 PM
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Moderator
Trailer: Fiber Stream 1978 / Honda Odyssey LX 2003
Posts: 8,222
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West Coast Trailer Chain Laws
Tire Chain Laws By State
Washington State Law:
Use of tire chains or other traction devices.
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(1) Vehicles under 10,000 pounds gross vehicle weight.
When traffic control signs are posted by the department of transportation it will be unlawful for any vehicle to enter the controlled area without having mounted on its drive tires the traction device specified by the sign, which must also meet the requirements of WAC 204-24-040.
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Washington State does not seem to have any requirements for Non-Commercial Trailers under 10,000 pounds.
Oregon State Law
Minimum Chains Required
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(3) A vehicle or trailer towed by a light or medium duty vehicle described in sections (1) or (2) of this rule shall have chains on one tire on each side of one axle if the tow item is equipped with a brake.
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California State Law
Chain Requirements
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NOTES
RECREATIONAL VEHICLES
• All vehicles, including four wheel drive vehicles, that
are towing trailers must have chains on one drive axle.
• Trailers with brakes must have chains on one axle.
• Front wheel drive vehicles must have chains on
front (drive) axle.
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10-24-2010, 04:52 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 16 ft Casita Spirit Deluxe
Posts: 1,043
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Frederich L simon
I stand corrected.... being from the east coast i never seen or heard of trailers with brakes having to have chains installed when posted by a sign.Assuming is not good..... Learn something new everyday. Thanks for the Update.
Joe
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10-24-2010, 05:00 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
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Don't feel bad Joe. I never heard of that either and I have never seen a RV Trailer with chains on. Up here we do have lots of RV Trailers on the roads in the winter.
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10-24-2010, 05:43 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Bill
Trailer: Casita
Kentucky
Posts: 6
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Not chains .....but cleated tires may help
from sliding on curve roads.... stay slow my friend.
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10-25-2010, 02:40 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 1974 Boler 13 ft (Neonex/Winnipeg)
Posts: 3,008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Donna D.
I see Becca is in Washington state. Don't know about Washington, but in Oregon we DON'T salt our roads. It's an environmental issue and you may know, Oregonians are tree huggers.
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Hi Donna,
I was aware that salt wasn't used on the flats, but I didn't realize that extended to the mountains. Sure is easier on cars and road infrastructure then in terms of rusting! I don't think I ever saw a full rocker panel until I was an adult (Combination of traveling elsewhere and newer cars being more rust resistant.)
Raya
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11-02-2010, 09:37 AM
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Junior Member
Trailer: 13 ft Scamp
Posts: 2
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Thanks everyone for the advice! We were already expecting to drive slowly as we figure out the towing system. But it's always good to have those reminders. Fortunately, most of the driving will be on highways that don't get snow, and then a bit of snow driving.
No salt out here (save the salmon) except for Seattle which abandoned that plan 2 years ago after a big snow storm. We'll see how it works out this winter.
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11-03-2010, 06:30 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: 92 16 ft Scamp
Posts: 11,756
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Well if you head north to the best ski resort in NA Whistler/Blackcombe :-) you will find salt on the road between Vancouver and the mountain - in fact lots of it. Although I have driven the road thousands of times I would not tow on in winter if I did not know for sure that it was bare and dry for the whole drive. I actually want to be able to take my trailer up in mid March throught to April as I have a couple of weeks of ski races but I know all to well that there is only a 50/50 chance I will be taking it.
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11-03-2010, 09:19 PM
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#20
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Senior Member
Trailer: U-Haul CT13
Posts: 778
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chains are mean for traction on driving wheels ........Period
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