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Old 04-12-2023, 09:23 AM   #81
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My fist post on this site. I am Gene from southern California.


I am glad to see great results for you folks with your EV towing here. I bought my first Tesla back in 2012. I have not bought a single gallon of gas since. I added 11 Kw of solar to my home, added 2 Powerwalls and converted all of my home to be all electric. All my transport and home life literally is free, powered by the sun.


I used to be a professional mechanic working on gas and diesel. I was an engine rebuild specialist. At this point when a friend brings by a failing gas cancermobile, looking under the hood is laughable to me. What a quagmire of poisonous idiocy. Thankfully, I rarely fix friend's cars anymore, most all of my friends and family are now driving EV'S, mostly Tesla.



These days I drive a Tesla Model Y. I had a TAB320 for awhile. Towing it was a breeze with the Model Y. Only downside was 500 watt/mile consumption at fwy speeds. I had a Rivian on order but have cancelled it as I have learned that the Rivian consumes more energy even empty, just driving around town, than my Model Y does towing a TAB!!



I learned a lot about trailer aerodynamics since then. These teardrops are really being towed backwards. That slope in the rear creates a vacuum. The curve in the front does little to help. The biggest killer is the sharp edge where the front and the flat sides meet, such as on my TAB. And so, I have a Scamp 13 foot on order, no bath, dinette version so I can leave the bed set up. Like an Airstream, the Scamp edges are all curved. This should have decent results for aerodynamics.


In my case, I have ordered my SCAMP deleting all gas appliances. My wonderfully pollution free home air quality I plan to carry on to my SCAMP. I was interested to hear from the Scamp salesman that I am not alone and they are actually looking into making an all electric version option as they get many requests. (Just look up gas stove health hazards for a frightening awakening). I have already been tent camping successfully with an Ecoflow Delta2 battery, 12v fridge and single burner induction stove. It works out superbly. I'll just work all this gear into the Scamp after I receive the new trailer.


Anyway, nice to see you all here!
EV will kill the RV business. The articles towing a camper got 100 miles. These were empty trailers. Before you charge you will have to unhook.
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Old 04-12-2023, 09:24 AM   #82
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Old 04-12-2023, 09:28 AM   #83
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Not everyone pulls a very small camper. Plus, your small camper is sticking out. What if it was a 25-foot trailer?
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Old 04-12-2023, 09:31 AM   #84
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Sorry, I already have thousands of miles towing the TAB with no issues. The RV industry will adapt quite well. They really have no choice. By 2030 t0 2035 finding any open gas stations will be a challenge and the few still running on fossils will pay a fortune for fuel as there will be so few people supporting the costly fossil infrastructure all by themselves. The RV industry will have an amazing boost with new products, new efficiencies, and a new younger customer base. Young folks these days, with concern for their children's future have eschewed gas vehicles in rapidly increasing numbers. Tesla Model Y plus Model 3, for instance, is #1 selling vehicle of any type in most states and many countries. The trend has begun just like the iPhone.
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Not everyone pulls a very small camper. Plus, your small camper is sticking out. What if it was a 25-foot trailer?

Hi Jack, nice to meet you here.



there are always "what if, what if". What if the new chargers are already becoming set up for pull through? What if the new coming EV trucks take over (which they will) the gas burners? What if people are already choosing smaller trailers? Oh, they are! Resale value on larger trailers is very low while the smaller ones enjoy very high resale due to demand.


"What if"s make for an exciting world, we have some really fun changes coming that offer a cleaner, healthier life. The 2020's will be very interesting with new markets and exciting new ways of life.
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EV will kill the RV business. The articles towing a camper got 100 miles. These were empty trailers. Before you charge you will have to unhook.
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No. Many EV's are fine for towing smaller travel trailers and much more than the 100 miles you suggest. Thousands are doing it and many are new RVers.

We rarely have to unhook to charge. It happens but with more trailer friendly charge stalls being added all the time it will continue to get easier. The infrastructure and tech will continue to evolve.

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Sorry, I already have thousands of miles towing the TAB with no issues. The RV industry will adapt quite well. They really have no choice. By 2030 t0 2035 finding any open gas stations will be a challenge and the few still running on fossils will pay a fortune for fuel as there will be so few people supporting the costly fossil infrastructure all by themselves. The RV industry will have an amazing boost with new products, new efficiencies, and a new younger customer base. Young folks these days, with concern for their children's future have eschewed gas vehicles in rapidly increasing numbers. Tesla Model Y plus Model 3, for instance, is #1 selling vehicle of any type in most states and many countries. The trend has begun just like the iPhone.
Glad you can afford to go all-electric. Most people can not. The RV will not adapt because the units will be too costly or too small to be useful.
What is being pushed on us is nonsense. Not using all our resources until the proper technology comes along is foolish. The higher cost of everything will push many people out of the market. We would build nuclear power plants if we were serious about going green.
The high cost of electricity will hurt people on a fixed income.
The people who can not afford an EV will suffer. This technology is not ready for everyone yet. My cars are 20 and 10 years old. I take care of them, and they will last many years.
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Glad you can afford to go all-electric. Most people can not. The RV will not adapt because the units will be too costly or too small to be useful.
What is being pushed on us is nonsense. Not using all our resources until the proper technology comes along is foolish. The higher cost of everything will push many people out of the market. We would build nuclear power plants if we were serious about going green.
The high cost of electricity will hurt people on a fixed income.
The people who can not afford an EV will suffer. This technology is not ready for everyone yet. My cars are 20 and 10 years old. I take care of them, and they will last many years.
I don’t know. Lots of people can afford the lower priced EV’s for around 25,000 to 30,000. I think the average vehicle price in the US is around 48000 so obliviously lots cab afford the less expensive EV’s. Heck, even Teslas start around 44,000.
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Glad you can afford to go all-electric. Most people can not. The RV will not adapt because the units will be too costly or too small to be useful.
What is being pushed on us is nonsense. Not using all our resources until the proper technology comes along is foolish. The higher cost of everything will push many people out of the market. We would build nuclear power plants if we were serious about going green.
The high cost of electricity will hurt people on a fixed income.
The people who can not afford an EV will suffer. This technology is not ready for everyone yet. My cars are 20 and 10 years old. I take care of them, and they will last many years.

For those have calculated into account of total cost of ownership, EV's have been less expensive for years. If you do the math of no more oil changes, no more service other than washer fluid, no more gas, and much longer lifespan than a gas vehicle. EV's are exactly what low income people should and are buying.



Electric rates have gone up all over, generally out of utility greed. Gasoline and diesel refining uses more electricity than actually just taking that electricity and just charging a vehicle with it. If you want to save costs for people's electricity, take that effort to the utilities that try and kill rooftop solar. I can go on and on with this but really, this a thread about towing with an EV. This will be my last post arguing fossils vs EV's. Let's stay on topic please, thank you.
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[QUOTE=geneR;855075]This will be my last post arguing fossils vs EV's.
There are only a few members here who insist on arguing against EVs. You'll meet all of them shortly.

I don't have an EV at this time, but I support all the EV developments and government spending on EV infrastructure.

I love the actual stories of real traveling towing a trailer with an EV. Those are wonderful and I hope to hear more and more of them in the future.

I did retire my old worn-out noisy polluting 2-cycle 1996 Tomos Targa engine and built an EV moped and I love it. So I'm starting.
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This will be my last post arguing fossils vs EV's.
There are only a few members here who insist on arguing against EVs. You'll meet all of them shortly.

I don't have an EV at this time, but I support all the EV developments and government spending on EV infrastructure.

I love the actual stories of real traveling towing a trailer with an EV. Those are wonderful and I hope to hear more and more of them in the future.

I did retire my old worn-out noisy polluting 2-cycle 1996 Tomos Targa engine and built an EV moped and I love it. So I'm starting.
Hello Alan, thank you for filling me in. No worries though, I run into such folks quite often due to my work. They are generally very kind people in person. I was once a total gear head but an open mind allowed me to learn the benefits of a cleaner, cost savings, and happier viewpoint on the future.



By the way, I suppose it has been talked to death here on this website but I use the Curt wireless brake controller and it has worked fairly well. With the Tesla's strong regenerative braking, it takes some time to get the controller adjusted correctly.
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Charging stations along your travels will often be powered by utilities burning natural gas. Same with most campground hookups.

Where the electricity comes from is a key question. Home solar with battery storage can handle the day to day use.
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While I'm not against EVs, the transition seems chaotic at best with many unanswered questions, and politicians very quick to throw money in. Both EVs and solar have received incentives to encourage people to move that way after years of " conservation" to minimize the cost of increased infrastructure. Now, without that increase in infrastructure none of this works. In July which do you unplug when brown out conditions occur, your air conditioner or your car? In 20 - 25 years all those solar panels will become waste. Toxic waste I'm told. Where do they go? I've already heard the term "safe nuclear". Meanwhile places like China are still building new coal fired plants. And how long before those charging stations demand considerable wait times.

Clearly, 10 minutes on the Weather Channel is all it takes to see we are in a climate crisis, but to solve it requires a well thought out plan, not the " make it up as we go" approach that seems to be currently in place.
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There was a time that it was said that solar cells required so much energy to make that they would never make enough energy to cover their manufacturing. This may have been an exaggeration. In time, solar cells have become more efficient and likely take less energy to make.

According to this document from the National Renewable Energy Laboratory:
https://www.nrel.gov/docs/fy04osti/35489.pdf

The pay back is currently between 3 to 3.75 years. This is projected to fall to 1 to 2 years. Of course, this will depend on the environment that the solar panels are installed in, and how they are installed, (tracking). In Calgary, where I live, the proportion of sunny days vs. cloudy days is very high. So, the pay back is likely closer to 3 years. In places like Vancouver Canada, the pay back is probably closer to 4 years. Still, not terrible.

However, since most of the solar cells are made in China, where coal is king. I think of those years to pay back as being coal powered.
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Charging stations along your travels will often be powered by utilities burning natural gas. Same with most campground hookups.

Where the electricity comes from is a key question. Home solar with battery storage can handle the day to day use.
True. Ours comes mostly from hydro and a little from nuclear. The rest is a mixed bag of natural gas, wind, solar. Still 7 percent from coal but that’s facing fast.

Our main reason for choosing our EV is performance and the driving experience. The rest is gravy. Tows like a beast though.

But to each his own. Drive what you love and love what you drive.
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True. Ours comes mostly from hydro and a little from nuclear. The rest is a mixed bag of natural gas, wind, solar. Still 7 percent from coal but thatís facing fast.

Our main reason for choosing our EV is performance and the driving experience. The rest is gravy. Tows like a beast though.

But to each his own. Drive what you love and love what you drive.
Our area has a group of apartments with over 100 cars. WAWA has six Tesla chargers. The rest of our town has two other chargesóone at a dealership.
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Our area has a group of apartments with over 100 cars. WAWA has six Tesla chargers. The rest of our town has two other chargesóone at a dealership.
Is that wawa ontario?
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Is that wawa ontario?
WAWA Gas Station. Our small city is about 75,000 people.
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WAWA Gas Station. Our small city is about 75,000 people.
Ahh. Ok. Iím not familiar with that company.

Sounds like charging infrastructure is not good there. Maybe in the future.
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I'm SUPER happy that the younger generation is ignoring the old naysayers and just forging ahead building green power systems and vehicles.

Sometimes, change requires the expiration of the previous generation to happen.

We'll get there.

Imagine all the horse buggy drivers saying "There's only one gas station on our town, gas motorcars will never take off."

Ha Ha hahaha.
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