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Old 08-05-2015, 08:54 AM   #21
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Jacob, Nice snag on your Scamp! We just got our 83 "new" scamp too. Have fun making it your own. Projects, always something to be done! We picked ours up in Millington, not to far from Flint. Lots of nice places to go in MI!!! Happy Camping!


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Old 08-05-2015, 08:57 AM   #22
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That video is pretty good as an explanation of the whole torsion axle design. Been posted before a few times.

I will add that the resistance the old rubber in my original axle was as bad as the 3rd generation trailer builder that replaced it had ever seen. He said normally to get that arm out of the way requires a big pry bar because your trying to push against the rubber suspension that supports the trailer, mine he used a big screw driver.

Like I said it still worked but the ride was a little rough.

I would also add for your trailer guy that the easiest way to remove the original axle welds is to cut the arm off, however you then have to make a new axle work because there is no going back to the old one once you start cutting it up.
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Old 08-06-2015, 11:49 AM   #23
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M, thanks. Yea, Millington is practically our backyard. We love to camp and are looking forward to using the Scamp.

RogerDat, I went to the trailer place. Yes, I need a new axle. Now I'm working out how to get a trailing arm since the Scamp has a forward facing arm. I'd like to be able to add brakes now or in the future. I contacted Scamp and they said it can be done with some blocks and make appropriate adjustments for trailer height. So that's in my near future. I'll be glad, though, to have better piece of mind and a smoother ride, especially for Michigan roads and some light off-roads.
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Old 08-06-2015, 12:50 PM   #24
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I may know a place you can get a leading arm axle. With brakes. Goes right back into the same spot.

Al-Ko axle rather than Dexter brand but back then Al-Ko is what came on them, Dexter was later. There is one other manufacturer that makes an adjustable angle axle. Forget what brand it is.

Not sure of the details without looking through some old posts (or asking the guy that did mine) but for a leading arm you need a certain amount of down angle arm for brakes.

PM me and I'll see if I can get you the part number. Probably on a tag of my axle or if not then I can swing by the shop that did the work. Al-Ko stopped making leading arm BUT guy that did the work, does a lot of business with them so they created a part number for it and cranked one out. Part number in computer = it can be ordered.
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Old 08-06-2015, 05:42 PM   #25
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A leading arm axle will change the trailer's point of balance. After it's installed, be sure to weigh your trailer tongue when loaded for camping (a bathroom scale will usually work) to make sure you have 10% or more of the total trailer weight on the tongue. Too little tongue weight can lead to disastrous sway. But it should be easy to load differently if you need more weight up front.

The adjustable angle axle is Flexiride.

(edit) : Oops, I should have said "trailing arm".
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Old 08-06-2015, 08:43 PM   #26
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RogerDat, I'm going to dig a bit deeper into a trailing arm axle and see what my trailer place can do. I'm not sure I see an advantage of a leading arm, other than that's what I currently have. Scamps says I can go with a trailing arm, so I'll see.

Mike, I assume you mean a trailing arm axle (I have a leading arm axle now). That's helpful, though. I appreciate the information. I don't know if my trailer place does Flexiride, but I can investigate that as an option, and if it's a good one, maybe I can find a trailer place that can do that for me.

Thanks.
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Old 08-07-2015, 05:42 AM   #27
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Welcome to da forum,,we live near AuGres and camp all over Michigan??one favorite place is Alcona Park,west of Glennie.
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Old 08-07-2015, 05:59 AM   #28
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Converter/Inverter Noise?

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emij, I thought that was what the power inverter did. It's just a bit loud, but I guess if we had something we really needed to run that took juice, it's nice to have. Does your inverter make a relatively loud hum?

Yes, I'm excited to extend the season a bit. I don't mind the cold, but my wife doesn't love it quite as much as I do.
Converters are usually built in by the MFG and converts 120VAC shore power to 12VDC for appliances etc., and usually charge the coach battery.

Inverters are usually aftermarket items, and convert battery power to 120 VAC for items that need that power when shore power is not available.

As most inverters are fairly new and much higher tech than older converters. They, except for a cooling fan, usually don't make any noise.

However, older converters often hum and buzz, usually due to the metal core plates in their power transformers loosening with age. This can be repaired but, unless you are a knowledgeable technician, can get expensive if the job has to be farmed out.

While my usual solution is to install a Progressive Dynamics PD-4045 power center that updates the electrical system to 2015 standards, others prefer to repair the old-school systems that cook batteries and are one short circuit from smoke. LOLOLOL



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Old 08-07-2015, 08:46 AM   #29
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Bob, Thanks for the information in inverters. Ours must be older, but it sounds like a fan is really running -- it sounds like it's working fine, but just a good hum. I'm not going to try and work on it. That's not my thing, but we tend to do more rustic camping anyway, so I'm not sure it's something we'll use much.

The previous owner had installed an electric mini-fridge. Someday in the future I may remove that and put in an ice box or maybe a 3-way if that's the way we decide to go, but it's low on my project list by a few years and some experience with the camper to see what we want/need.
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Old 08-07-2015, 09:25 AM   #30
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The leading arm axle is welded into the 90* corner made by the rear floor rising. The welds run along the horizontal frame AND vertically where the frame goes up for the "dance floor" of the dinette/bed.

To get a trailing arm you have to find a location in front of wheel well where arm will reach back and put the wheel in exactly the same place. Plus (important!) do something to replace the structural strength the welded bracket added to that 90 degree joint and axle tube provided to the rear of the frame. One advantage of the torsion axle over leaf spring is the torsion axle tube is a structural part of the frame.

Don't get me wrong, people do make this switch. There are threads by folks that have done it. It is just not a trivial change and you need someone that is good and will do careful work.

Airstream and Scamp used leading arm, not sure why but I think leading arm and torsion axle was considered a superior suspension to leaf spring suspension typical of campers back then and still the more typical axle today.

At some point in time trailing arm became more common and now is the typical orientation of torsion axles. Dexter axle you just turn around and swap the brakes to the opposite side to turn a trailing to a leading BUT your guy has to reverse the dimensions when ordering AND the bracket may need to be reversed or cut to fit.

I'll try to find a picture but the rear of the scamp axle bracket is Flat to fit into that riser corner AND the bracket offset from the axle tube is a bit different. Projects further one way than the other and not sure it is the "common" direction.
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Old 08-07-2015, 09:37 AM   #31
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Nope not the common direction of offset. Normally the bracket runs along the frame to a point behind the spindle. Makes sense the spindle is where the stress is. The other end of the bracket is shorter.

Not Scamp since it has that corner in the frame it welds to this allows (and requires) the bracket is actually shorter in the direction of the wheel spindle. Also note the plate which is required for brakes.




You might want to check out the pictures before and after this one in the album.
Good shot of the underside and some more of the axle including a nice shot of the square shaft coming through the arm.
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Old 08-07-2015, 11:11 AM   #32
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I had a 120V dorm fridge in the Burro, a few years back. It would not hold a decent coolness while off; about 3-4 hours was all it took to get warm inside. One could try running it on an inverter while traveling, but that could be hard on the battery. A better way to go for camping trips up north would be to freeze some water (a gallon jug or a few small bottles of drinking water) ahead of time and put it in the fridge with your perishables just before departure. It won't help on the way home, but it will get you to the campground where you can plug into shore power.

I had to put a strip of velcro across that fridge door to keep it from coming open during travel. Stuff inside moves around and bangs the door open, unless it has a very good latch or closure.
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Old 08-07-2015, 12:19 PM   #33
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Little expanding white metal round curtain rods to pin the contents into the fridge can help keep the food in place. Rubber feet on both ends, spring loaded, generally can be screwed out to size.

We used to freeze blue ice packs in the freezer and they could keep the fridge cool for the day of travel. We had a propane fridge but would turn off while traveling. Over night they would generally refreeze for the next day.

The nice thing about the frozen water jug in a cooler is the supply of fresh water when it melts.
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Old 08-07-2015, 09:15 PM   #34
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The curtain rods are a nice idea. I figured I'd need to secure the fridge closed for travel if we load it. There is no velcro or other closure.

And the water jug is a good idea. I had imagined those frozen ice packs, but the water would be handy and lighter on the return trip.
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Old 08-08-2015, 06:59 AM   #35
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Hey Jacob, weldome to the FG world! I'm down south of you in Fenton
There's a group of us getting together at Algonac state park on the weekend after Labor day if you want to join us. Here's a link to the event.
Nothing crazy, just a friendly camp out. Saturday night potluck, Friday night hot dogs and uke jam fest
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f...ble-67391.html
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:42 AM   #36
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Algonac Rally! How did I forget to mention that!

Look at the top handle side of the fridge door. Or maybe the bottom of the handle side. Some RV type fridges use a plate with a hole for a latch. You drop a pin through the plate and it goes into a recess in the fridge door.

There are a couple of different RV refrigerator travel latches about 1/2 down this page. Including a drop pin style and a plastic one also available from camping world. Don't know how that one works.
Some rods and holders to secure stuff below that.
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Old 08-12-2015, 09:08 PM   #37
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I'd really like to make it to the Algonac Rally, but I think we already have plans that weekend. I'll have to check, and if so, look make plans for the Rally next year.

And thanks for the refrigerator link. That will be helpful.
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emij, I thought that was what the power inverter did. It's just a bit loud, but I guess if we had something we really needed to run that took juice, it's nice to have. Does your inverter make a relatively loud hum?

Yes, I'm excited to extend the season a bit. I don't mind the cold, but my wife doesn't love it quite as much as I do.
I wanted to let you know that we used our inverter while we were travelling last month. We charged both of the kids HD Nook Tablets, a total of about 12 hours charging to do both. I didn't notice any noise coming from it at all and the battery seemed to still be charged enough for us to use it for the remainder of our trip, so not really sure how much power it uses! Hope you are enjoying your camper!
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