Escape Trailer Winter Sale price reduction

[carlkeigley]

Can I borrow it?



And the choir yells:

NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FTTRV]

It's time Donna glad you did it. Now until June you have time to unload ????
Chuck

[Jim Bennett]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

Tums are now my favorite snack food! Anyone that's ever built a custom home would understand.

I have built lots of them, but never one for myself....yet.
I do know what you mean though, I have put many a customer through the decision making wringer.

[War Eagle]

Jim, We don't currently own an Escape, but based on all the positive reviews, we might sometime in the future, and we think the floor plan of the 19' is just about perfect. So from your experience and perspective as a current Escape owner, what is it about the new 21' that has even current 19' owners drooling? Just asking. Insight from other current 19' Escape owners planning a move to the 21' are welcome, as well. Thanks.... Dale

[Jim Bennett]

Dale, there are lots of reasons to like Escape trailers. Firstly, a well built trailer. Secondly, the ability to personalize it to your likes, and finally great service from top notch people.

Have you been to the Escape Forum? Escape Trailer Owners Community

[War Eagle]

Jim, I concede the Escape is a great camper made by a great company. My questions is, in what way(s) is the new 21' better than the old 19'? What does the extra 2' really get you? Thanks, Dale

[War Eagle]

Jim (Bennett), I had actually intended my original question to be directed to the other Jim (cpaharley 2008) who started this thread (Post #1, just forgot to link it) since I believe he has already or is moving up to the 21'. I know what the Escape web site says about the two. I just wanted to hear from a current Escape 19' owner, planning on moving up to a 21' what makes the difference worth it to them. Dale

[Jim Bennett]

Maybe what you mean is why is the 19 still better than the new 21?

I do jest. They both are great trailers in their own right. It all depends on the needs of the user. The merits of both are well discussed at the Escape site.

[Cathi]

We are 19' owners and not drooling over a 21' and neither are many other 19' owners. There are some people due for a change and the 21' is the newest and biggest so that is tempting to them. Some need a little more space for a particular reason.

For one, the bed in the 21' is smaller. Don't know if I would want that until I would try the 21' bed but there are people buying the 19' with queen instead, just because of the bed size. Second, the bathroom wall divider (meaning bathroom) is next to the bed which doesn't thrill me regarding nighttime visits. Third, some might think a bigger tow vehicle is needed which is a huge deal, of course. Fourth, the bed located at the back is a preference of many instead of nearer to the entry. Some absolutely want the bed up front so the 21' suits them on that.

If I were to try the bed and think it sufficient, then I would be very interested. The 21 is about 18'' longer (not two feet) and a tiny bit wider.

It is fun to see the new 21's coming out and I would love to have a look some time, but no telling if I would actually be interested. The 19' is perfect! You will hear that a lot more from 19' owners. It's a great layout.



So from your experience and perspective as a current Escape owner, what is it about the new 21' that has even current 19' owners drooling? Just asking. Insight from other current 19' Escape owners planning a move to the 21' are welcome, as well. Thanks.... Dale[/QUOTE]

[War Eagle]

Thanks, Cathy. That's the kind of informative insight I was seeking. And maybe Jim Bennett posed my question better than I did in his Post #48 above - "... why is the 19' still better?" My wife and I will also be curious to see how owners of the new 21' get along with the bed having a corner cut-off. It's obvious why, but seems it could have a number of awkward consequences. I hope others respond as well. I'll be curious to see what other current 19' or 21' owners feel one way or the other. Dale

[cpaharley2008]

I'm here now and hopefully can add some insight. The bed in the 19, although larger was squeezed into the back, tightly against the walls surrounded by 3 windows. I winter camp and even with the thermal windows, it was cooler and sometimes the walls would sweat. Air is needed to circulate and I added a marine backing all around the bed. Merely making the bed into a double size would have allowed more air and eliminate dampness. Given another option would have made the front into a double bed and rear into a "U" shaped dinette. Your best views are normally out the back.
This is why I like the 21, it has less windows and exterior walls touching the bed thus the condensation should be minimal. Counter space is a premium in the 19, the 21 gives you that space, larger bath with powered fan, a lot more storage with drawers and closets and cubby holes. The refer is huge and standard, I also opted for the oven and with the wider aisle it should work. There are a couple of other items I dropped off my 19 on the new 21', need to have my coffee first. But these ideas hopefully will help.

[kb1flr]

Originally Posted by cpaharley2008

I'm here now and hopefully can add some insight. The bed in the 19, although larger was squeezed into the back, tightly against the walls surrounded by 3 windows. I winter camp and even with the thermal windows, it was cooler and sometimes the walls would sweat. Air is needed to circulate and I added a marine backing all around the bed. Merely making the bed into a double size would have allowed more air and eliminate dampness. Given another option would have made the front into a double bed and rear into a "U" shaped dinette. Your best views are normally out the back.
This is why I like the 21, it has less windows and exterior walls touching the bed thus the condensation should be minimal. Counter space is a premium in the 19, the 21 gives you that space, larger bath with powered fan, a lot more storage with drawers and closets and cubby holes. The refer is huge and standard, I also opted for the oven and with the wider aisle it should work. There are a couple of other items I dropped off my 19 on the new 21', need to have my coffee first. But these ideas hopefully will help.

Hi Jim,

Thanks for a great explanation. Do you know the weight difference between your old 19 and the new 21?

Rick

[Ice-breaker]

As others have said, personal circumstances, likes and dislikes play a huge role in whether some like the 19' or the 21'. There is no doubt that Escape builds great trailers and every model has it's own features that make them great. The 19' seems to fit our needs at the moment and hopefully for the foreseeable future. I could not see myself moving up to the 21'. If I was to ever make a change, I would consider moving to the new 5.0TA. I also really like the 15B. It is really too bad that I could not have one of each model.

[cpaharley2008]

Hi Jim,

Thanks for a great explanation. Do you know the weight difference between your old 19 and the new 21?
Their website show it to be 500# in gross 4000/4500 but I would think it would be less for the extra 2 feet of space.

[cpaharley2008]

Here is a link to Escape Forum discussion
21' Escape - MY impression - Escape Trailer Owners Community

[Carol H]

I dont own an Escape but have been in a number of 19's as well as the 21.
There were few things that caught my attention on the 21 vs the 19' . One is the bathroom/shower appears to be bigger giving it a more spacious look/feel. Could just be the difference in the door/entrance to the bathroom that does that though - the 19' has a side entry while the 21 has the door at the end/short side of the bathroom. The bed - while the 19 has the larger bed the design/placement of the bed in the 21 would make it easier for one party to get up in the middle of the night without disturbing the other. Counter space in the kitchen area of the 21 is greater as is the storage space.

[Cathi]

Dale, I didn't think about the corner being cut off of the 21' bed. I'll be interested in hearing if that's any problem.

ModJim, of course you are having a big condensation problem with winter camping. I love the placement of the 19' bed with the big window and others but I can see why you might find the 21' better for winter. I like Norm and Ginny's solution to the cold: an electric blanket. I would think that might improve your condensation situation somewhat over perhaps depending so much on the furnace.

[paulw]

We were going to move from our Escape 17B to a 19 until Norma stepped into the 21' at the Oregon Gathering last Summer.
Besides the bigger kitchen, which she likes, The bathroom door isn't right in front of you when you walk in. You can see the full width of the trailer & it makes it feel much bigger than the relatively small dimensional increases.
Eliminating the crawl over bed and revised bathroom door location are nice too.
I'd try and spend a little time in each before you plunk your money down.

[Jim Bennett]

Seeing 90% of our time spent in the trailer is in the bed, we love the queen bed with room for Jasper (our dog) if he wants to join, with all the windows around it. We camp in the cold a lot (we do live in Canada, eh!}, and find the heater near the bed keeps su plenty warm, as that is where the thermostat is too. Though we do keep the temp at 8-9°C when sleeping. We eat less than 5% of our meals at the dinette, so for us the view is not that important, though the 19 has a great view their too.

I could easily live with a bed the size th 21 has though, but my wife thinks otherwise.

We have all the storage we need in the 19, and this is without the front storage box. Others do like to bring more stuff, but then others survive nicely with way less than what we have.

Our bath gets used mostly for mid-night trips by my wife (I prefer a tree), and we have only had 6-8 showers in 5 years now, so the smaller the bath for us, the better. Kinda like a smaller bed would help, it leaves room for other uses.

You really have to tour both to fully see the advantages of the two of them. As you can tell by the responses so far, people are biased towards their choices. Well, except for me, of course.

[Carol H]

Originally Posted by Cathy

Dale, I didn't think about the corner being cut off of the 21' bed. I'll be interested in hearing if that's any problem.
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Airstream has been doing their beds like that for years.