Fantastic gas news from Oregon

[Jon in AZ]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

Tyranny? Hardly, it's the citizens that originally decided and the ability to decide whether to continue the practice was taken away. I'm furious. I'm a voter, guess who I'm going to try to vote AGAINST?

For the record, the phrase is "tyranny of the majority," and it is the particular form of evil to which democratic government tends. It does not refer to tyranny of government over its citizens but of citizens over other citizens. It is one reason there are many checks and balances built into our democracy.

One is your right to vote the scoundrels out!

Although my family hails from Portland on both sides and I visited often as a child, I have never lived there, and I truly have no bone in this.. err... conversation.

[C&G in FL]

Originally Posted by Donna D.

And Carl, the diesel fuel nozzle is too big to fit into a gas tank opening. Whatever happened to you 15 years ago won't happen now. Now it IS possible to put a gas nozzle into a diesel tank, but I understand that's easier to remedy.

Donna, I fully understand that a diesel nozzle no longer fits in a gasoline tank filler opening, and that what happened to me many years ago (I said 15 years but it may have been 20, I just don’t remember exactly) would not happen now. Still, I do not want anyone other than a certified technician, and sometimes not even them, doing anything to my vehicle and that includes sticking (or jamming) a fuel nozzle into my $40,000+ investment. And while I can understand your unhappiness about potentially having to expose yourself to temperatures below 40° and winds, all I can say is be thankful you do not live in Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, or a bunch of other states where winter temperatures reach -40° or even lower not even considering wind chill factors. Yet residents of those states somehow manage to pump their own fuel despite weather conditions. Honestly, I’m not trying to be snarky. I relocated from New Hampshire to Florida years ago to escape the cold and snow. Even Florida has a few days in the upper 20s or low 30s, a wind so I still experience “chilled discomfort.” But I simply don’t believe other people should have to experience long service waits or potential damage to their vehicle (e.g., scratched paint from carelessness) because a small majority of Oregon’s voters decided that people who want to be able to pump their own gas should not be allowed to do so. If it truly were for safety reasons, I could understand, but for comfort reasons and probably in some cases laziness, I see no justification and cannot be convinced otherwise, even though I can understand your frustration.

[jerrybob]

[QUOTE=AlanKilian;857431], I'll say I'm simply falling in love with your governor!



Love is a very powerful thing.....I wish you and the governor the very best!

[Raz]

When you buy gas in New Jersey the folks pumping gas don't want to deal with change. The result is they fill to the next dollar, over filling your tank.

Vermont went to pumping your own gas years ago. We figured it out. However with no attendant, drive aways became common. Soon to pay cash you had to prepay. Most now use a credit card. Pumping your gas and then settling up is no longer an option.

[Prop_Joe]

Don't you worry your pretty little heads; the State of Oregon has plenty more idiocies to keep you all fat, dumb, pampered and lazy!!!

For those complaining about loss of jobs, did you also complain when the job of elevator operator cease to exist? What about soda jerk or car wash attendant or McDonalds putting in kiosks and getting rid of tens of thousands of jobs across the country?!!! Did you complain then? Do you still eat at McDonalds now?

What about when DIY shows became popular, did you complain to Bob Villa about all the jobs that were going away because he was teaching people "how to" do it themselves?

And what about the MILLIONS of "how to" videos on Youtube? I know that I've saved myself THOUSANDS of dollars watching tutorials on how to do all of the maintenance & repairs on my motorcycles, cars and boats. Youtube has also taught me how to design and build my own solar/battery systems, how to install a full suspension kit on my truck, how to code & develop software, how to do data mining which got me a cool new job which pays 3x what my old software job paid. I must have put dozens of people out of work by learning to do all of these things, and a lot more, myself.

But don't you worry your pretty little heads; you can all continue to be fat, dumb, pampered and lazy... while letting someone else pump your gas.

[Donna D.]

My entire point in my complaint, isn't that we're changing to self fueling, it's the way it happened. The voting citizens decided, all those years ago what WE wanted. This change came about because BIG BUSINESS wanted it. Fuel companies have long pushed for the change due to supposed staffing shortages. And the Northwest Grocery Association, also lead the charge.

Oregon’s bill crucially prevents stations from charging more for a full-service pump than a self-service, which will effectively eliminate full-service pumps. The economic advantage of self-serve, saving money for the owners of the stations, will shift legislative future pressure surrounding full-service stations.



Instead of business telling the legislature what to do, the citizen should have had the right to vote on it AGAIN.


PROP JOE, YOU are insulting.... "But don't you worry your pretty little heads; you can all continue to be fat, dumb, pampered and lazy... while letting someone else pump your gas."

[Iowa Dave]

It is indeed disheartening to read posts that denigrate the legitimate opinions of others with antiquated sexist stereotypical phrases. It’s certainly not a good example for our young people and wrong on so many fronts.
I don’t hope for much, I make my own luck but I can honestly state that I truly hope that fate never has me camping within 50 miles of Prop Joe.
C’mon man, grow up and live a civil life.
Iowa Dave

[David Tilston]

I often wonder what people get out of insulting others. I figure they have such low self-esteem that they need to boost it any way they can. Have more self respect Joe.

[AlanKilian]

Just report the post and be done with it.

This kind of post has no place in this community and degrades everyone's experience.

[Jon MB]

"tyrrany of the majority", or "majority rule"? Two sides of the same coin, just depends on whether you prefer heads or tails as to how you spin the result.
I'm a former pump monkey, among many other concurrent jobs that I've held during my work period. And what is "full service" anymore? Oil level check? Tire pressure? Windshield wash and streak-wipe? When was that? Oh yeah, When I do it for myself, (or did it as part of the job back in the early 80's).
N.J.'s no-self-serve can almost always be bypassed with a simple "May I?". If you're on a motorcycle or have an unusual car the current crop of gas monkeys almost invariable defer to that simple request rather than risk a dribble or scratch. Even in a common soul-less rental car they have almost never declined my offer to pump for myself. I still pay the mark-up for their presence, but I have confidence in my assumption of the risk.

Diesel dispense nozzles went to a smaller diameter with the introduction of the ultra-low sulfer diesel (ULSD) fuel in 2007. The small fill pipe openings in ULSD (50 ppm) requiring vehicles prevent the insertion of the older, larger nozzles that still were in use for the 500 ppm sulfur content off-road diesel fuel equipment. The problem was then that the ULSD fill pipe became the same as the smaller unleaded fuel dispense nozzle introduced (mid-70's) to prevent the larger, leaded, gasoline nozzle from being inserted in cars emission controlled with catalytic converters needing unleaded.

Electric car "three seconds to plug it in" comment had me smirking, recognizing that the next temporal word in that sentence was "overnight". It takes three seconds to insert the gas or diesel nozzle as well, but I don't need to go to bed as something to do to bide my time during the transfer of energy.

p.s.: sig doesn't indicate that I have a car that I plug in at home (about 3 seconds).