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Old 08-13-2013, 03:00 PM   #21
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Are you saying that I wasted my time carefully crafting fiberglass tail fins onto my FG trailer?
I guess you should have went with beer holders instead.
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:04 PM   #22
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I bought mine from a member here also CPAHarley, I paid less then it cost him to get it to this coast by a bit his factory options are what I would have done with the exception of one item which is easily fixed...I will be changing one other choice to a similar but I hope more useful to me choice IE microwave to micro/ convection oven. But I recieved it now not next spring when the season starts and the costs for all the other items to go with are at thier highest. I also recieved essentially a turn key unit to include hitch, internal upgrades that I would have done to mention a few stereo/TV,Extra 12v sockets, led indicator lights and generator ( stop throwing things at the screen you will break it:} I know some of you dislike generators ) :} When I eventually boon dock in Maine as people have noticed the tree cover is a bit dense so it might be required. Not to mention the fact that I have seen it go a solid week with out sun usually in the fall / winter time but it has occured in the summer too. I think I got a fair deal and I am pretty sure the seller got a good return too. So buying used can work out as in my case and many others here things align the right way. I am going to be heading out with it for the first time this weekend with a note pad for any ideas of mods I want or figure might be nice to have. Yes for those of you who have seen cpaharleys mods there are more that can be done :} I already swapped out the pvc pipe to a larger size to accept the black hose will post pics of it if you all wish, mounted D ring tie downs behind the under bed doors to use bungees across to keep the temporary rolling plastic bins from comming out while in tow, unobtrusive tie downs in the table area for items I plan on putting there for transport and a few other odds and ends. I have three mods I have not seen here drawn up and will be working on soon.

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Old 08-13-2013, 03:23 PM   #23
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Old 08-13-2013, 03:43 PM   #24
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I'm sure it's well understood. The purpose of mods is to make the trailer more suitable for the owners.

Even new trailers, even trailers much larger and more expensive than ours get modifications.

We're in our trailer for most of the year and simply work to make it more comfortable and useful after each trip.

Except for solar panels the biggest cost is time. Though 'time costly' it all comes back in usefulness.

It's highly likely this will be our last trailer, figuring we have possibly 10 more road years. The size of our trailer makes it perfect for our travels, bigger would be more effort, more tow vehicle, more cost. Modifyng it makes sense to us plus it's fun to do. Over our the period of ownership mods are cost effective. It's like a good marriage, in many ways you become one.

We bought a 17 year old trailer in good condition and made it ours. It's now campground and boondock comfortable. Our Scamp is now 22 years old, amazingly these little gems can become better than new.
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Old 08-13-2013, 04:44 PM   #25
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Inclined to agree with Dave that one person's hickydo convenience mods are about as good as another's and worth about the same at sale. These may enhance or detract according to a buyer's desires. Sometimes lost sight of is the simple fact that most FG trailer designs under 20' are built to accomodate two simple activities--eating and sleeping--in the same space. If the attraction of new is convertibility of space from bed to board, used must retain this flexibility option to compete. Easily reversible (superficial) modifications may in fact be desirable when you sell as when you buy. I haven't seen anyone yet who couldn't furnish their own potato bin or throw out the current one.

Parts and cushions for convertible bunk/dinettes which have been permanently purposed should be retained so the FO can also have the fun of choosing to optimize the trailer to the needs and number of the new crew. Likewise bathroom facilities: give on board sanitation a trial before you rip out expensive plumbing systems. It is possible to use a shower as Fibber's closet and the potential for reversibility remains when priorities change.

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Old 08-13-2013, 04:50 PM   #26
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Yeah I try not to make any permanent changes because who knows down the road what may happen...might suit your needs now but not in 5 years. Im wanting amore comfortable bed and am thinking of storing the cushions for my rear dinette and getting a nice queen sized futon and a piece of luan and 2 milkcrates so I can fold it into a couch when just me or wanting to entertain...pull the 2 milk crates out and it drops back to a bed... no real changes to the caravan but would suit my needs now.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:02 PM   #27
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I've seen many modifications to fiberglass trailers at rallies and I believe a high percentage are worthwhile. I would have been happy to get a Scamp with 6 additional draws, solar panels and LEDs with or without a potato bin.

I find trailer owners to be very creative bunch, living handily in a space the size of many bathrooms in traditional homes. Cleverness to turn a small space into usefulness is much appreciated by this buyer.

I am forever interested in other's modifications, their travels and the use of their trailers. Their experimentation significantly adds to the possibilites.
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Old 08-13-2013, 05:09 PM   #28
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New will always take a price hit as soon as you drive it off the lot, if you keep it for several years that hit can be averaged across those years. Eventually the depreciation reaches point of minumum value for a trailer that size with those features in a condition acceptable to the market.

Buying that used trailer means someone else took the financial hit when it was purchased new. Closer to late model trailer is the more of that depreciation you get to experience after you purchase. Functionally if it's the same I would rather purchase at 50% of new to get that 80% of new condition.

I agree with Ice-Breaker most modifications are not going to turn a profit unless you are taking something from yucky to sweet without sinking in a lot of money. Just as with a house you don't generally get the "cost" of improvements out on resale unless you are very careful in what you do and how much it costs. Small things that make it more desirable or have a better appearence can be the best investment.

And as Norm points out getting the use of the feature over several years provides value. If after using it for 10 years you can still point it out as a selling point that adds value it probably is a "profitable" investment that reduces the price differential between new without and used with the modification.

Adding an outlet near the door for use at the outside table or in other key locations, better storage, tv hook up, well placed mirror etc. if quality work these can make a used camper a better value than new.

Some of the mods people share on this site are things I would be willing to pay a premium over normal price for, others are more niche items that suit that owner and a few others that share a need for and value that feature.
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Old 08-13-2013, 07:06 PM   #29
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There are several great points of view on this forum and most make good sense. It really boils down to personal preference, taste and how one will use the trailer...and for how long. I have a 2014 Scamp 13 ft standard ordered with shower. Many of the mods mentioned are now options, and I ordered every option except the furnace. I always buy cars about 3 years old for the reasons many of you stated...good value for the money. This is a different purchase...for us! We would rather take a new one loaded out and then add mods as we desire. Plus we are looking forward to decorating it and doing some custom paint work. Still working, and being able to afford getting one completely road ready and showroom clean off the bat, was important to us. Now, if I could have found a late model Scamp, like we ordered, I would have considered it BUT....you CAN'T find them...unlike a used car. I tried for several months to no avail.
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Old 08-15-2013, 05:55 PM   #30
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It is very hard to find a used scamp "the way you want it", and sometimes finr one at all. They are out there but often clear across the country. I was lucky that mine was "only" 800 miles away. It still took me 4 days to get it home and I took it sight unseen.

There is definitely a lot to be said for ordering from the factory if you are able.

I am sure you will be thrilled with your new lady. I certainly am with mine.
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Old 08-15-2013, 06:27 PM   #31
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It is very hard to find a used scamp "the way you want it", ....

There is definitely a lot to be said for ordering from the factory if you are able....
Nothing wrong with making a long term investment to get exactly what you want delivered from the factory. The more specific your needs or desires and the longer your going to keep and use it the more value that option has.

Also helps if you know what features you want in a camper, or are willing to do some research into features to figure out what is a good investment for how you will use the camper.

If your needs or desires are more general or basic, it opens up options to save some money and still be contented with your purchase.
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Old 08-15-2013, 08:38 PM   #32
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Thanks John...we are excited. Rodger, well, we we ordered every option minus the furnace...but we did get the heat strip so I guess we got everything we could. This suited us and we knew what we wanted, and what my honey required.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:00 PM   #33
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For me price isn't the only consideration. Many "mods" are poorly done, or not something I want. Changes to the electrical system are scary along with changes to the propane system. Some changes will through the trailer out of balance. When I was looking there was basically two type of trailers on the market, those that required extensive work, and those that very close to new prices. In both cases there's no telling what kind of hidden problem you'll be buying. At the time I purchased I had enough projects, still do. Therefore the only thing that made sense to me was to buy new. There wasn't much choice there either, mostly Scamp or Casita. Scamp had enough head room I could stand up, Casita didn't (13' models, I didn't and still don't want anything bigger). Weighing it all a 13' Standard Scamp with my choice of options became the best bet for us. So far, after 8 years, it's been the best choice I could have made. As Donna D. says YMMV.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:20 PM   #34
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Yup Byron...that's why we ordered new with the options WE wanted! I didn't want to have to add anything later. Plus, it's not like there are a lot of them anyway.
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:22 PM   #35
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Having bought lots of used ones and only one new one, I would say that the money side was not as important as getting just what we wanted.
That could only practically happen for us buying new. Otherwise my cuttoff would probably be at least a couple grand difference for an excellent trailer a couple years old.

If you buy used from a skilled owner, you might get one with the bugs worked out.

If you buy used from the wrong owner the bugs may be firmly ensconced, both literally and figuratively!
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Old 08-15-2013, 09:27 PM   #36
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Plus Floyd, you just can't find them.... much less find one close to what you want in a geographically convenient location.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:23 PM   #37
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It's hard to even compare, to me. Different worlds, unless one is only a year or two old. It also depends on what one is willing to accept on an older one. My '84 19' was $4000, and I promptly tore it down, and will have close to $10k in it when I'm done. Could I get $10k from it when I sold it? If I was really lucky. Is it exactly the way I want it? Yes. Does that mean anybody else would want it this way? No, I really haven't seen any like it aesthetically or mechanically, there has to be a reason for that.

I would have done almost all of the $6k in mods to a new one though, so it didn't make sense for me to get one.

I figured if I was paying the local rv labor rate, I would have at least $25k in labor now, so a persons ability to repair a used camper (or not) plays a huge part in old vs. new, also.
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Old 08-15-2013, 10:58 PM   #38
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Jared, being in sales all my life I can assure you there is always a buyer for what you are selling. You just need to find him. What did you do that would not be attractive to a potential buyer? Sounds like you did some cool stuff to me!
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Jared, being in sales all my life I can assure you there is always a buyer for what you are selling. You just need to find him. What did you do that would not be attractive to a potential buyer? Sounds like you did some cool stuff to me!
I've pretty much done everything. It's setup like a 50's diner, and equipped like a modern, larger camper.
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Old 08-16-2013, 06:16 AM   #40
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This whole thing is really just dependent on your own point of view,like most decisions in life.

Mine is that I will not buy a new one and it is just silly to imagine that I would have to in order to get one just like I want it?

I have bought 7 so far and each has been just like I wanted it whether I realized that at first or not!

It is funny,on one hand we talk about how alike these are and how they endure better than most alternatives but on the other we act like they are our children,each one unique and with its own personality?

I think both are the case and it is not at all difficult to undo most wrongs done by others or enhance mediocrity if that is what we want.

So the bottom line for me is how much Egg I can find for how little cash and how much work might it take to get it like I want it.

I have had 4 newer(post 2000) trailers and in each case the difference between them and new is tough to discern,if I wash them at least.

My current Casita had a selection of mods that I was sort of amazed to find and I was even more astounded when looking at it for the first time that they had been done largely just as I might have made them?
Somehow it is the ideal rig for me and I don't really even look around much anymore unless it is at one of the roomier models that I see.

The trailer is just "ME"!

Thanks again Bob and Cindy,glad it just was not "YOU"!

Considering that I have never paid even 1/2 the price of a new one I remain thrilled at the choices I have found. I think if you can't find one then yours has not come up for sale yet,but it will.

I also understand the idea of not having to live in someone else's house and getting new so it is only yours.
I am just not that bothered by used to pay the price.
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