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Old 06-19-2012, 02:56 PM   #1
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Taking my Scamp to BC?

So looks like I'm going to be working in Vancouver BC for at least 9 months, maybe even getting permanent residence and staying a few years or more.

There's a campground just over the bridge in North Vancouver so it looks like I can stay in the Scamp for a few months when I first get there while I look for more permanent housing.

Big things I'm concerned about.

A: Importing the trailer? Inspection? Tow vehicle requirements? Any chance they will stop me at the border if my tow vehicle is small/unconventional?

B: Storage during the rainy winters. I'll probably be in an apartment downtown and may be away from it for months at a time. I HATE MOLD and I'm very concerned a tiny leak in the constant rain unattended for even a few days could lead to a huge mold issue. I've had convertibles in rainy climates and I've seen the horror a leaky top can yield in a mere few days. I may have to look into indoor storage. Hopefully if I get far enough from downtown storage costs might get reasonable. With real estate like it is I'd expect any storage near the city to be extraordinarily expensive.

C: Towing in the rain. I've avoided this entirely up to now due to the short wheelbase of my to vehicle. I'm a little less worried about this now that I have brakes on the trailer, the TV has 4 wheel ABS, but still. If I'm going to use this trailer in anything but the summer months, there's a good chance I'll have to tow in the rain to get back from a weekend for work on Monday.

What are people's experience towing in the rain compared to towing in the dry? Should I be overly concerned about this?
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What are people's experience towing in the rain compared to towing in the dry? Should I be overly concerned about this?
I think you are worrying too much about towing in the rain.


If that rain freezes, different story.
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Hi Dylan,

Your moisture concerns are legitimate. I've heard great things about the Drizair products. If you plan to store your trailer for months at a time you may want to look into having it just on the other-side back in the US. I know a number of Canadians that do this as the cost is way more reasonable. Pending border crossing waits and where you live you can get down there in a little over an hour. Otherwise some people out in Mapleridge, mission or abbotsford may have barn space for lease but again that can be an hour or more out.

As far as staying in the Capilano RV spot it's quite pricey and usually has wait lists so book ahead. The only reason I'd recommend it is if you will work very close. There are much more reasonable places closer to the border in South Surrey and WhiteRock.

Don't say "import" for your trailer or Vehicle at the border. This means reregistering them as Canadian Vehicles. If you become a resident later cross that bridge when you come to it. I don't think you'll have problems at the border but don't quote me on that.

As far as everyone says it rains here all the time don't believe it! It lets up every once in awhile

Quite a few other Vancouverites here that'll chime in I'm sure
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Don't say "import" for your trailer or Vehicle at the border.
Agreed, they will be more concerned that you have the proper paperwork for staying 9 months. And they don't like guns.
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As far as everyone says it rains here all the time don't believe it! It lets up every once in awhile

Quite a few other Vancouverites here that'll chime in I'm sure
Actually the rainy season usually starts around Oct 1, but most years it ends by Sept 30!
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I've been across the border 5 time (round trip) in seven years. Having a passport helps. I've never been asked for vehicle titles.

As to rainfall, it is more a question of cloudiness than heavy rain.

Relax and enjoy BC.
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Welcome to Vancouver - the rv park you picked by the Lions Gate Bridge is the only RV park we have remotely close to downtown Vancouver so if you havent made reservations you should! Its also the only one we have on the North Shore as well. Its a real good central location - takes less than 10 min to ride your bike to downtown & there is a great beach & park beside it. More than a few movie stars have used that as their base with their small Airstreams while filming in Hollywood North - yup thats what Vancouver is also known for..... besides the rain ;-)

As long as you are not entering the country with the intent to move here & stay, you will not need anything special for your trailer crossing the border as long as you are leaving your US plates & insurance on in. It would be a good bet there is a limit as to how long it can stay here without doing a bunch of paper work though. If you tell them you are coming to work here and stay longer than x so many months they will want to see your work permit etc....... There are actually regulations in regards to bring in personal property while temp living here which you should look up ahead of time. I seem to think that everything will need to be listed and submitted to customs so it can be taken back out again without a problem. Its a whole different processes than just coming for a visit.... Suspect as long as the trailer is entering only temporary it will not need to go through the formal import process that does indeed involve having it inspected.

As far as you tow vehicle goes nope they will not be interested as long as it has plates and is insured.

What are you towing with? I tow with an all wheel drive and its great in the rain. Nothing special you need to do just keep a good space between you and the car in front when driving in the rain whether towing or not..... - highly recommend if you dont already have them that you get good tires (bald tires are not great in the rain) - all season radials work well in Vancouver you can use them most years all year round - snow tires in Vancouver proper are not normally used. If you plan to head up to Whistler in the winter months (which is less than an hour and half from the RV park) then you will need snow tires or carry chains. Also making sure your windshield wipers are in good condition.

If your looking to store the trailer you might find more reasonable prices for storage in the Richmond or Surrey/Langley areas - trust me its costly in the few places we have in North Vancouver and there is little to no storage in Vancouver proper.......
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Many people also rent out their parking space at apartments your Scamp would be easy to park as long as the height clearance is there.

I'll be hanging around Vancouver July & August I only take my trailer out in spring and fall. You can pm me if there is something you need help with.

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I think you are worrying too much about towing in the rain.
Good I suppose. Hope your right.

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If that rain freezes, different story.
No plans to tow near freezing.

Do they make snow tires for trailers? The Miata handles pretty good in the snow on Blizzaks!

All but a few drizzly minutes here and there of my towing experience has been in the dry. And I know from performance driving that a wet road has dramatically less grip than a dry one. Without brakes I could see the trailer coming around MUCH easier in the wet, even with 8" trailer brakes my car has HUGE stopping power, ABS, great wet grip, so if I hit the brakes hard in the rain I have little doubt that trailer could be swinging around on me in a hurry. But part of my theory of towing is making sure I never need to get even close to grip limits by driving smooth, slow, steady and keeping the eyes way down the road. Visibility is a big factor and other people driving like insane people despite conditions. My tow vehicle is not ideal. I like to keep the less than ideal variables to a minimum and that's served me well so far. A little rain I probably wouldn't feel too bad about. Serious downpours on fast highways will likely have me pulling to the side.

Eventually I'll get a big Subaru for the trailer and have some more experience towing, probably won't be as big a concern then. And with the right Sube I can go on the back forest/mountain roads! Come on Subaru bring the diesels to North America!
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Hi Dylan,

Your moisture concerns are legitimate. I've heard great things about the Drizair products. If you plan to store your trailer for months at a time you may want to look into having it just on the other-side back in the US. I know a number of Canadians that do this as the cost is way more reasonable. Pending border crossing waits and where you live you can get down there in a little over an hour. Otherwise some people out in Mapleridge, mission or abbotsford may have barn space for lease but again that can be an hour or more out.
Well, I have friends with houses and yards in the Seattle area. So storage south of the border might just happen there. But I want the trailer up there for excursions further north, perhaps out on the islands. So I'd prefer storage near the city if it's not too expensive or out towards areas I'd want to be exploring.

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As far as staying in the Capilano RV spot it's quite pricey and usually has wait lists so book ahead. The only reason I'd recommend it is if you will work very close. There are much more reasonable places closer to the border in South Surrey and WhiteRock.
The place I talked to, sounds like you may know it, said I might be in off season rates which were expensive for camping, cheap for Vancouver rent. High season rates are absolutely insane and I could rent a furnished studio by the week or month right down town for similar money. I'll have to call back, they seemed to be changing management or something and very busy when I called them a few weeks back. I'll be working in Yaletown, so comfortable commuting distance is key. I think I can take a bus into downtown from very close to the campground. Less than 30 minute commute Google said. If it's that close and cheap I may stay in the camper for the whole winter!

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Don't say "import" for your trailer or Vehicle at the border. This means reregistering them as Canadian Vehicles. If you become a resident later cross that bridge when you come to it. I don't think you'll have problems at the border but don't quote me on that.
Oh, I meant import. I'll be coming in on a work permit, some of my coworkers recently similarly relocated are importing their cars. So I think it's certainly possible the Miata and the trailer will get imported. I may try to get a legal residence in WA at a friends and register there. But California registration is getting tiring when I'm never there. Explaining to the CA DMV why you can't get a CA smog check is tiring. I hear they are getting rid of smog checks in Vancouver! YAY!

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As far as everyone says it rains here all the time don't believe it! It lets up every once in awhile
Seems to dry up whenever I visit the Pac Nor West! So this may be a dry winter with me up there! I kid my Portland/Seattle friends the rain's just a hoax to keep people from moving up there! But most of my visits have been in summer.

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Agreed, they will be more concerned that you have the proper paperwork for staying 9 months.
That will be taken care of by my employer, this is all above ground and legit. Will have a work permit, proof of employment, etc.

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And they don't like guns.
I do own one 22 rifle that was my dads. It's been in storage for ages and I'd only bring it to Canada if I brought everything I owned at some point down the road.
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Actually the rainy season usually starts around Oct 1, but most years it ends by Sept 30!
Your just trying to scare the American off aren't you?
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I've been across the border 5 time (round trip) in seven years. Having a passport helps. I've never been asked for vehicle titles.

As to rainfall, it is more a question of cloudiness than heavy rain.

Relax and enjoy BC.
What was the purpose of the visits and how long were they? I've never had a problem crossing the border as a tourist, never had a trailer, but wouldn't suspect it being that big a deal to bring a camper over to camp. But bringing a camper over when you crossing on a work permit might just look a little weird. Especially towed by a Miata!

Cloudiness won't stop me from towing, so that's good to hear.

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Eventually I'll get a big Subaru for the trailer and have some more experience towing, probably won't be as big a concern then. And with the right Sube I can go on the back forest/mountain roads! Come on Subaru bring the diesels to North America!
Your just wasting time.... trust me the Outback sold in N/A for the past 10 years does very well at going on the back mountain roads of BC were few would dare to go..... LOL went until you get here .... you will find lots... trust me no need to wait for a diesel to scare the pants off your self.
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The five trips I mentioned were all pulling my 13' Scamp for 7-10 day trips.

I can't speak to crossing on a work permit. Ron Mayo
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What was the purpose of the visits and how long were they? I've never had a problem crossing the border as a tourist, never had a trailer, but wouldn't suspect it being that big a deal to bring a camper over to camp. But bringing a camper over when you crossing on a work permit might just look a little weird. Especially towed by a Miata!

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There are laws regarding what you need to do to register/declare in regards to personal effects & vehicles that you bring into Canada to live/work temporarily. Varies as to your length of stay & reason for being here. You really need to go to the government website and read up on what forums you may need or not need before you hit the border.

You can start here There is also a number you can call.
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Welcome to Vancouver - the rv park you picked by the Lions Gate Bridge is the only RV park we have remotely close to downtown Vancouver so if you havent made reservations you should! Its also the only one we have on the North Shore as well. Its a real good central location - takes less than 10 min to ride your bike to downtown & there is a great beach & park beside it. More than a few movie stars have used that as their base with their small Airstreams while filming in Hollywood North - yup thats what Vancouver is also known for..... besides the rain ;-)
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Sounds like I found a GEM! I've been full timing in my 13" Scamp since last fall in New Mexico, commuting 22 miles down the mountain to Albuquerque. My coworkers get endless amusement from me living in a tiny trailer. They've kidded me, "So you gonna live in your trailer up in Vancouver?!", I laugh and say, "Very funny, Vancouver isn't the RV Mecca Albuquerque is surrounded by tons of open land, no way there'd be a campground a decent commute from downtown". But I checked on a whim and sure enough! I'll call tomorrow and check back in with them. And yes, sure enough, I'm in the film business. But I only rarely get to see or even more rarely meet them. Happened more back when I lived in LA. I'm a computer nerd.
As long as you are not entering the country with the intent to move here & stay, you will not need anything special for your trailer crossing the border as long as you are leaving your US plates & insurance on in. It would be a good bet there is a limit as to how long it can stay here without doing a bunch of paper work though. If you tell them you are coming to work here and stay longer than x so many months they will want to see your work permit etc....... There are actually regulations in regards to bring in personal property while temp living here which you should look up ahead of time. I seem to think that everything will need to be listed and submitted to customs so it can be taken back out again without a problem. Its a whole different processes than just coming for a visit.... Suspect as long as the trailer is entering only temporary it will not need to go through the formal import process that does indeed involve having it inspected.
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Oh, but I am! At least for 9 months, very good chance I'll stay longer. I've lived and worked overseas before and love the idea of permanent residence in another country, I'm not getting any younger and it's only going to be harder as I get closer to retirement. And you can't be more conveniently located to another country!

This is the main thrust of the thread! If I go over with US Cali plates on TV and trailer with the work permit, which I think will actually be much longer than the 9 month contract actually. And the contract I think indicates the position is ongoing (even if I know there's no guaranty beyond the first project). So customs will be expecting me to stay a while I suppose. So I am very interested in the implications of the trailer in my customs declaration!

Will there be any inspection of the vehicles for regulation compliance at the border? Or would I be given a document requiring inspection in a certain time? If I say I'm just coming up with a temporary a load until I get an apartment? And I'll have no permanent address at first beyond a campground? Oh man, I hope I don't get the cavity search!!!

Seriously I doubt there'll be any big problems, but I'd love to avoid complications and gotchas at the border. Hopefully they will let the vehicles in on the promise to import them if they end up staying. I do own a more practical car, that I wouldn't tow with, I might rather have in an urban environment if I don't keep the trailer over in Canada.
As far as you tow vehicle goes nope they will not be interested as long as it has plates and is insured.
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I hope that's the case in this case!
What are you towing with? I tow with an all wheel drive and its great in the rain. Nothing special you need to do just keep a good space between you and the car in front when driving in the rain whether towing or not..... - highly recommend if you dont already have them that you get good tires (bald tires are not great in the rain) - all season radials work well in Vancouver you can use them most years all year round - snow tires in Vancouver proper are not normally used. If you plan to head up to Whistler in the winter months (which is less than an hour and half from the RV park) then you will need snow tires or carry chains. Also making sure your windshield wipers are in good condition.
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Um.... A Miata? Not just any Miata, it's very beefy. Turbo, huge brakes, reinforced frame, heavy duty springs. But it does have a short wheel base and isn't all that heavy. So I tow very, very carefully. But feels pretty good to me after about 2000 miles of towing. Just had a new axil put on with brakes for peace of mind in a sudden stop or an unexpected sway. Very good sticky tires on the TV, "performance" tires, they do very good in the rain, but not so great in cold, beyond useless in standing snow. Never tried towing in beyond a sprinkle. Trailer tires still look newish. I think they are less than 2 years old. I have a set of Blizzaks for the Miata I hope to find a way to ship up, for the winter when I won't be towing and want to head up to the mountains. I'll find another set of wheels for easy swapping.
If your looking to store the trailer you might find more reasonable prices for storage in the Richmond or Surrey/Langley areas - trust me its costly in the few places we have in North Vancouver and there is little to no storage in Vancouver proper.......
Who knows, perhaps a friend will have a spare spot around town they'd rent cheap, but I suspect rent on parking spots in prime real estate is valuable! And I have no desire to tow in urban traffic, so I'd prefer a little in the boonies! We shall see. The campground said they had storage, only in the off season, for I think about $175 a month. Might be worth it to have fast access, and to be able to make sure I wasn't growing a mold cave! Heck, it might be nice to be able to just pull it into a spot and "camp" for the weekend some time when I'm sick of my loud urban apartment and want to go to the "country"! No need to tow beyond the campground! Heck, I could BIKE there from my apartment! I LOVE HAVING A TRAILER!!!! This should be fun.
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Your just wasting time.... trust me the Outback sold in N/A for the past 10 years does very well at going on the back mountain roads of BC were few would dare to go..... LOL went until you get here .... you will find lots... trust me no need to wait for a diesel to scare the pants off your self.
I hear ya, the diesel is more a dream TV. It'll be a while until I want to take on a car payment or those diesels will get here and trickle to the afordable used market. Much more likely I'll get a nice used (gas/petrol) one in a few years.
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There are laws regarding what you need to do to register/declare in regards to personal effects & vehicles that you bring into Canada to live/work temporarily. Varies as to your length of stay & reason for being here. You really need to go to the government website and read up on what forums you may need or not need before you hit the border.

You can start here There is also a number you can call.
Thanks for the link. I will surely check the official docs. This thread is more to get personal experiences. I've worked in New Zealand and Australia, I know more than I'd like about dealing with customs in general.
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Many people also rent out their parking space at apartments your Scamp would be easy to park as long as the height clearance is there.

I'll be hanging around Vancouver July & August I only take my trailer out in spring and fall. You can pm me if there is something you need help with.

True enough about being able to fit it anywhere you could park a van!

Sounds like you'll be gone by the time I'm there. But I may make an early pre visit before I start work in Sept. So if I'm up there in August I may PM you.
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