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Old 09-07-2007, 11:39 AM   #21
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What a nightmare! Hope you can get it all accomplished before Lake Casitas!
Well... called Sacramento again. The person I talked to said they had sent the file to "matching" which is I guess where they try to match seller's records with buyers? Not sure.. Anyway, that dept. had sent me the yet-to-be-received letter. She did clarify that "sent" August 31 did not mean sent August 31. It meant, it went into the slow-moving bureaucratic mail system on that day and might have made it into the mail by Tuesday or Wednesday this week. And... she promised to "get right out to me" a temporary operating permit. (We'll see if that materializes and by "get right out" does she mean it went out in today's mail or it might go out September 31st?

I still have the appointment to get the Temp permit Tuesday afternoon.

It's amazing that this entire state does not grind to a halt.

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Old 09-10-2007, 04:56 PM   #22
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I have a temporary operating permit, good through the end of October!!!

Thanks be to the wonderfully helpful woman I talked to last Thursday who said she would get one right out to me.

Still no sign of the letter supposedly mailed August 31, though.

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Old 09-11-2007, 10:46 PM   #23
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It's amazing that this entire state does not grind to a halt.
I'm thinking you have to act a little more like Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger

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In a more serious tone, I wish you well.

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Old 10-04-2007, 01:15 PM   #24
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Update, October 4. No update, really. I called again. The woman I talked to said that once it goes to the group that does whatever they do to verify the title from the other state that can take 90 days. I've never received the August 31 letter, whatever it said. My guess is they are trying to match the forms I sent in with the forms sent in to Washington State to report the sale. Either that or trying to figure out a reasonable price to see if I really paid more than I'm claiming or else they are trying to verify that it is a camp trailer and eligible for PTI. I didn't call the other group as they never tell me anything when I call and its not an 800 number.

I asked what I do when the Temporary Operating Permit runs out and she said I can take it to the DMV and get it renewed, just tell them this story.

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Old 10-18-2007, 04:33 PM   #25
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Now it's October 18. I received a letter dated October 1, asking me for the original copy of the Vehicle Verification form. (This is the original form that I had the police officer in Washington fill out and sign- and which I sent to them in May!!!) So I call, and the office they tell me to call to does not have the file yet. (Not only does it take the State of California 17 days to get a letter from Sacramento to Fresno, but it takes more than that to get a file down the hall.) He was very helpful nonetheless and told me that they probably lost the form or wanted more information. (So why don't they say in the letter what they actually want?)

So now it looks like I need to go get a NEW Vehicle Verification form. Luckily here in California AAA can do that; I'll try to do that tomorrow. I send that form in, and then I guess everything starts all over??? Until they lose that form? We are at 4 1/2 months and counting. Everything you do with the DMV takes at least six weeks to process- if I send a letter with this form it takes six weeks for them to open it and do anything with the enclosed information.

The guy did also suggest that if I called back on Monday he might be able to figure out if the form is lost or just not what they want. I'm not sure what good that will do, though, since I'd still have to get a new one, send it in, and wait six weeks for them to open the envelope.

AARGH!!

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Now it's October 18. I received a letter dated October 1, asking me for the original copy of the Vehicle Verification form. (This is the original form that I had the police officer in Washington fill out and sign- and which I sent to them in May!!!) So I call, and the office they tell me to call to does not have the file yet. (Not only does it take the State of California 17 days to get a letter from Sacramento to Fresno, but it takes more than that to get a file down the hall.) He was very helpful nonetheless and told me that they probably lost the form or wanted more information. (So why don't they say in the letter what they actually want?)

So now it looks like I need to go get a NEW Vehicle Verification form. Luckily here in California AAA can do that; I'll try to do that tomorrow. I send that form in, and then I guess everything starts all over??? Until they lose that form? We are at 4 1/2 months and counting. Everything you do with the DMV takes at least six weeks to process- if I send a letter with this form it takes six weeks for them to open it and do anything with the enclosed information.

The guy did also suggest that if I called back on Monday he might be able to figure out if the form is lost or just not what they want. I'm not sure what good that will do, though, since I'd still have to get a new one, send it in, and wait six weeks for them to open the envelope.

AARGH!!

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Just thought I'd let you know that we went to the DMV in Illinois in early May to register our trailer bought in Arkansas with a legal title. We were able to use the plates of the Burro we sold, so that is good. However, it is now Oct. 18 and we haven't heard anything back from the DMV yet about our title and registration. Such fun! I'm going to call them tomorrow and ask some questions.
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Old 11-08-2007, 06:30 PM   #27
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I finally got around to calling again. This time (after two phones and multiple tries at getting through) I got a nice woman again, who found the file, and figured out that the reason they want the new form is that I signed in the wrong place somewhere. (I'm going to check my copy as I don't believe that.) Anyway, she is sending ANOTHER temporary operating permit that should get me through December, so I can drag the trailer over to AAA to get verified for the second time. Let's see, June, July, August, Sept, Oct... only five months so far.

Next time (if there were to be a next time) I would pull the trailer home without a valid license and do all this in state.

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Old 11-08-2007, 07:57 PM   #28
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Bobbie, having been a twenty year resident of the Great State of Confusion on the Left Coast, and dealing innumerable times with the daunting bureaucracy of CA DMV, I can feel your pain.

Not to rub it in, but in Iowa, there is no DMV per se. There is the Iowa Department of Transportation which fills the roles in California of DOT, DMV, and part of the CHP. The wonderful part is that in all 99 counties here, there is a County Treasurer's office. The Treasurer handles all of the licensing including drivers' licenses and all vehicle licenses. More often than not, you walk up to the counter, talk with a person you know on a first name basis and walk out with your license and registration. It's amazing! And stress-free.

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Old 11-08-2007, 08:13 PM   #29
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Stress-free sounds good right now!! The slowness of the state government mail-handling system is ridiculous- a letter dated Oct 1 reached me three weeks late! (Should have taken 1 day.) At least if I get a new Temporary Operating Permit it gets me through the Thanksgiving weekend agility trials. And it isn't like any CHP has yet stopped me to see why I am pulling a trailer with expired Washington plates.

The silver lining is that despite all these hassles I really am glad I bought the trailer and am looking forward to using it for Thanksgiving weekend. And I have until next May to get it licensed to go back to Washington- where they MIGHT question the expired plate.

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Old 11-12-2007, 02:14 PM   #30
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I got the new VIN verification today. I hope it is right! If not the next one comes from the DMV.

While I had the trailer out just for that, I thought, hmm, maybe I should go camp for the day at Walmart just to get some use out of hitching it up. I drove by there earlier this morning and a big motorhome was parked there so I guess they still allow it at the West Shaw Walmart in Fresno. But I decided to go home and park in the garage instead. I'm getting pretty good at backing into the garage, anyway!

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Old 01-23-2008, 10:09 PM   #31
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Hi there, I bought my beautiful little 77 scamp from Sacremento..i live in Oregon!!

I went to DMV and told them it was a paperless title and showed them the paperwork i was given from the folks who sold it to me, they had gone to the DMV and they had given them this paper which was also a bill of sale and they had told them that is all i would need???.. at my DMV here in Eugene Oregon they said to come back with a title in hand..yikes..

i waited a week and today called DMV and she tried to find out information on a paperless electronic title..no one seems to know about these???? then i told her how small the trailer was and she said i don't need to register it or title it here in Oregon if it is under 1800 lbs..

That makes me nervous..then how does one show ownership or sell it later on??

A mystery to me..but i do hope this is true because i am getting ready to head south but do want to be on the road legally!!!!!

Does anyone have any input on this..
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I can't help, Dee, no idea.

I just thought I'd mention that I still have no registration...

I was going to put an emoticon on this but I couldn't find that head-banging one...

Maybe someone from Oregon will know the answer.

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Old 01-23-2008, 10:18 PM   #33
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all my trailers have been titled in California. It may not be required, but it *is* possible to get one.

I am not sure how you resolve this, you'll have to get with California DMV (Scarier than the IRS, let me tell ya)

I was told at each title transfer with mine that I could skip the title and just get a PTI (On the shorter ones) without one, but once the title is bypassed, it is difficult to get one again.

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Hi there, I bought my beautiful little 77 scamp from Sacremento..i live in Oregon!!

I went to DMV and told them it was a paperless title and showed them the paperwork i was given from the folks who sold it to me, they had gone to the DMV and they had given them this paper which was also a bill of sale and they had told them that is all i would need???.. at my DMV here in Eugene Oregon they said to come back with a title in hand..yikes..

i waited a week and today called DMV and she tried to find out information on a paperless electronic title..no one seems to know about these???? then i told her how small the trailer was and she said i don't need to register it or title it here in Oregon if it is under 1800 lbs..

That makes me nervous..then how does one show ownership or sell it later on??

A mystery to me..but i do hope this is true because i am getting ready to head south but do want to be on the road legally!!!!!

Does anyone have any input on this..

[b]She was wrong. It's a travel trailer and must registered, Oregon Law. You might have call Salem DMV or gone on line to DMV site. The Travel Trailer stuff is a bit hard to find and understand. Here's the link if you want to be brave. FYI registration fee for your 13' travel trailer is $101.25 for 2 years. There's also a title fee, I don't remember that amount.

I have no idea what the fine would be if you got caught with out license and registration, but you can bet it's a lot more than the registration fee.
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This isn't the first time California's bureacracy has been a leader in screwing things up in the rest of the country!

Here's a link to CA DMV's guide on electronic (paperless) titles:

Electronic Leins and Titles

and transferring a title in CA:

CA Title Transfer

Both of these are really vague about how a paperless title transfer is handled in CA, but at least it will document that there is such a thing for your Oregon DMV.

Print this and make sure you have everything they require. Take your paperwork and these publications back to the Oregon DMV and try to re-title it. If the clerk doesn't know what to do, ask for a supervisor. Eventually you'll get to someone who will be able to figure out how to deal with California's innovation.

Good luck!

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Old 01-24-2008, 01:07 PM   #36
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All I can say is GOOD LUCK..


I just called the CA DMV again today. All the field office can tell me is that it says in the file that as of January 7 they are sending me another letter. (That usually takes 3-4 weeks.) They cannot tell me what is in the letter, so I have to wait and then put everything back into the queue again when I send whatever they want THIS time. The guy just agreed to send me yet another TOP.

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We finally received our Illinois registration for our UHaul in early January, almost 6 months after it was submitted in person at a DMV office. It's such fun waiting! At least the Illinois website would put up a simple notice stating "Working on applications submitted between XXXX and XXXX." They are still working on applications from September, 2007.
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This isn't the first time California's bureacracy has been a leader in screwing things up in the rest of the country!

Here's a link to CA DMV's guide on electronic (paperless) titles:

Electronic Leins and Titles

and transferring a title in CA:

CA Title Transfer

Both of these are really vague about how a paperless title transfer is handled in CA, but at least it will document that there is such a thing for your Oregon DMV.

Print this and make sure you have everything they require. Take your paperwork and these publications back to the Oregon DMV and try to re-title it. If the clerk doesn't know what to do, ask for a supervisor. Eventually you'll get to someone who will be able to figure out how to deal with California's innovation.

Good luck!

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Thanks .. i will print these up and i will march right back in there tommorrow, i am actually going to try a different branch!!

thanks so much for the Ca. links ..i think that will help!! Dee
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Old 01-30-2008, 07:58 PM   #39
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Nope, no registration yet.

But the fourth temporary operating permit arrived just in time for a trip this weekend. I still don't have the latest letter from the DMV (dated Jan 6). I wonder if they have ever considered picking up a phone instead of sending letters that take a month to go out?

I suspect that they didn't like the latest VIN verification form (I kind of thought the AAA person screwed it up) so if that's the case, I'll take it in to the DMV next time.

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Old 02-14-2008, 05:55 PM   #40
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So today I took the trailer to the DMV for verification #3. They told me NOT to sign the form. (Sacramento sent the first one back because I signed it and the second one back because I did not sign it.)

The problem is in part that the title has 149 as the VIN. The VIN on the back of the trailer, on the plate, says S then a space then 0149.

S 0149

First guy, with the title in front of him, left off the S. Second person put it on. The DMV person put it on, wasn't sure how Sacramento would handle the discrepancy. The VIN came from Idaho in 1970- I'm sure nobody knows now why the S wasn't on the title.

So heaven only knows what will happen when I send this set of paperwork in. This is a case of the right hand doesn't know what the left hand is doing. And nobody ever has the file with the paperwork when I call, and letters take a turnaround time of at least 8 week.

I may retire and move to Washington in 2010, and if it still isn't titled in California then, I'll just register it up in Washington!

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