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Old 10-02-2013, 09:33 PM   #21
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If rate of draining grey water is an issue - and I can see that it might be - perhaps a pump can fix that. Unfortunately there may be small solids (such as food particles from the kitchen sink) so a macerator pump may be required. Those are relatively expensive and typically don't have a little garden hose inlet fitting - they typically have a 1.5" hose barb or 3" bayonet inlet, and 1" hose barb outlet. There are lots of utility pumps with garden hose inlet and outlet (I have one I've used to fill an RV tank from a portable container), but typically they can't handle more than tiny solids.

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Is the Snoozy the one with no propane appliances?
In other words, designed to be parked someplace with full hookups, where it wouldn't matter if you just leave the garden hose draining grey water all the time?
The cheapest service to install and maintain is power, so it's the most commonly provided. Water is next, so it's next most common. Sewer is the most expensive, so it's the least common.

Although owners of non-propane trailers presumably do choose sites with power, I don't think it's safe to assume they have a sewer at their site; a power-only site would presumably be frequently chosen. Of course, I don't know what the Lil Snoozy designers were assuming.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:44 PM   #22
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30 gallons thru a garden hose...now we know why they named it Snoozy.... too much wine tonight.
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Old 10-02-2013, 11:40 PM   #23
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So with the small opening how does one go about cleaning out the grey water tank? Just curious as I know mine needs to be cleaned out fairly often - although I am pretty carefull as to what goes down the sink its seems there are always coffee grounds etc that never seem to drain right out. I use a wand through the large outside outlet to give it a good cleaning out.
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We have had ours only 10 mo. but so far so good. I bought a strainer insert at WM to put in the drain. I also am very careful about what goes down the drain. I add a little of that blue "waste digester and odor eliminator." When we empty at a dump station, I add a gallon or so of fresh water and a little blue stuff or a bleach tablet to let it slosh around good on the way home. I am eager to read any other responses.
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:10 AM   #25
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Is your Lil' Snoozy also all electric, of have they started to incorporate LP appliances as well?



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Bob, mine is all electric, but we did buy a Honda 2000 generator which is reasonably quiet. Haven't used it much so far. I have had propane and I don't miss it. I believe Snoozy will do propane if that is important for you, but I am not sure about that.
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Bob, mine is all electric, but we did buy a Honda 2000 generator which is reasonably quiet. Haven't used it much so far. I have had propane and I don't miss it. I believe Snoozy will do propane if that is important for you, but I am not sure about that.
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What can you run at the same time with that size generator?
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We have had ours only 10 mo. but so far so good. I bought a strainer insert at WM to put in the drain. I also am very careful about what goes down the drain. I add a little of that blue "waste digester and odor eliminator." When we empty at a dump station, I add a gallon or so of fresh water and a little blue stuff or a bleach tablet to let it slosh around good on the way home. I am eager to read any other responses.
Susie is the drain for the grey tank on the bottom of the tank or the side? If its on the very bottom what you are doing is probable just fine.. the issue with trailers that have the outlet on the side of the grey tank is there is often a little lip that seems to act as a bit of dam in preventing some of the little stuff from draining out without a lot of wash action and water to sweep it out, which is why sticking the wand in the tank is needed to get it really clean. I am always more than a little surprised as to what gets caught up in the tank as I thought I was pretty good about wiping the dishes and rinse out the coffee cups and pot and tossing the water into the fire pit before washing.
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Hydroflush...

I've never found the need to add chemicals to my gray water tank. I do use a Hydroflush to help keep it clean. So far that's worked pretty good for us.

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That looks good just not sure it will work on the OP's trailer if only a garden hose connection on the grey tank, perhaps there is something out there like it though they could use.
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So with the small opening how does one go about cleaning out the grey water tank?
That's a good question, but I don't think the small fitting makes much difference - the grey tank outlet piping (not the final outlet hose fitting) of my Boler is the usual grey tank size (1.5"), but with the turns between the tank and the valve there's no reasonable way to clean out the tank through the outlet.

Edit: I clarified my reference to "outlet", because it was not clear.
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I don't think the small fitting makes much difference - the outlet of my Boler is the usual grey tank size (1.5"?),
Usual grey water outlet size is 1.5"? really? The one my Scamp as well as a few other brands I have looked at are 3" directly from the tank and all the way out.
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That's a good question, but I don't think the small fitting makes much difference - the outlet of my Boler is the usual grey tank size (1.5"?), but with the turns between the tank and the valve there's no reasonable way to clean out the tank through the outlet.
Suggest you use your power of internet search to find the "standard" drain size for RV waste tanks.
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Sewer Solution

We use a sewer solution at home to dump thru a garden hose.

The sewer solution creates a water jet that can be directed thru the hose to force dumping and particle break up. It can also be rotated to squirt into the tank. It seems to be very effective on the black tank and pretty good on the grey. This approach is great for dumping long distances.

We use it sometimes for dumping when camped in my son's yard and always when we get home for the road as a general cleanup. At our son's house we go in thru a cellar window and dump into the washer drain.

We don't always carry it with us, depends on the route.
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We use a sewer solution at home to dump thru a graden hose.

The sewer solution creates a water jet that can be directed thru the hose to force dumping and particle break up. It can also be rotated to squirt into the tank. It seems to be very effective on the black tank and pretty good on the grey. This approach is great for dumping long distances.

We use it sometimes for dumping when camped in my son's yard and always when we get home for the road as a general cleanup. At our son's house we go in thru a cellar window and dump into the washer drain.

We don't always carry it with us, depends on the route.
Sometime just running fresh clean water through the gray water tank is enough. I did that for several years, when at home I connected a water hose to the city water port, turned on the water into the sink, filled the gray water tank to overflow, then drained the gray water tank, repeat a couple of times. At that time my driveway drained into my hay field, so no problems just dumping gray water on the driveway.

That seemed to have worked well enough, now I use the Hydroflush while at a dump station provided I can connect a hose to clean up water hose. If not I wait until I can.
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Again it looks to me that the Sewer Solution needs a 3" fitting on trailer side to work.... which takes us back to my original question as to how does one clean out a grey water tank fully with only a garden hose connection.
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There are connections you can add to the side of a grey or black tank that squirts a high pressure jet into the tank. I owned one with our motorhome but never installed it.
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Usual grey water outlet size is 1.5"? really? The one my Scamp as well as a few other brands I have looked at are 3" directly from the tank and all the way out.
I think I caused some confusion here by mentioning the size of the grey tank outlet (where the pipe attaches to the grey tank), which is not the same as where the hose is attached (typically 3" for all sewer hose connections).

Yes, in almost every RV I've seen, the black tank outlet piping is large (3"), the grey tank outlet piping is smaller (maybe 1.5"). In most cases the two come together in a Y-fitting to flow into the same standard 3" bayonet fitting. My Boler and my large Class A motorhome both do exactly this, with essentially the same plumbing components. What you see and attach a hose to is 3", but the piping between there and the grey tank is smaller.

The attached photo shows a typical Y-fitting with the 3" black waste valve mounted to one side, and a 1.5" grey waste valve mounted to the other side; the 3" bayonet sewer hose fitting (shown with a cap on it) is shown on top, but would be installed facing horizontally outward. This is a Valterra 3" double ell rotating valve assembly from their 2011 OEM catalog, but there are lots of variations, from multiple manufacturers - I picked this one because it looks like exactly what's in my motorhome, and I think (it has been a few years since I replaced the cracked elbow) in my Boler.


Some RVs have separate black and grey outlet hose fittings, and may use big plumbing all the way from the grey tank outlet to the hose fitting just because it has to end in the 3" bayonet fitting anyway. This separation happens either due to distance (e.g. kitchen and bathroom at opposite ends of a 35-foot trailer) or lack of space (e.g. no way to run a pipe downhill from both bathroom and kitchen of a small trailer with a low floor).
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There are connections you can add to the side of a grey or black tank that squirts a high pressure jet into the tank.
I have those on a trailer and a motorhome, but not the Boler. In each case, they were factory-installed, and only in the black tank... I guess there isn't a perceived need to use them in the grey tank.

I think both of Byron's methods (Hydro Flush and just filling the tank from a sink) probably work well enough for the grey tank, which is why the flush fittings are not common on the grey side. I've only used the second of these, and as Carol pointed out for the Sewer Solution and Hydro Flush, you need a 3" bayonet fitting to use these devices on the outlet.
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Keith, seems like the generator will run two out of three of the main appliances at the same time. I believe the main appliances are considered to be the microwave, the refrigerator, and the air conditioner or maybe the hot water heater. I'm not sure. Anyway, that leaves the lights (LED), outlets, the two burner hot plate, the fantastic fan, and the cube heater. It is unlikely anyone is going to need all of these at the same time.
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