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Old 08-01-2019, 10:30 PM   #21
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oh here it is, not in classifieds. sounds like a *big* project.
http://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f...tml#post750694
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Old 08-01-2019, 10:59 PM   #22
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Everyone ignoring the 5k 13' scamp I posted. Even has the front bunk beds. And looks in good condition.

Very few fiberglass trailers will fit that number of people, perhaps the 25' bigfoot, but way outside your price and TV range. Best bet would be to have some sleep inside and then get the others tents to camp with you.

I will say I grew up with my family going on a 2 month trip in a vanagon with 3 teenage boys, two adults and a med sized dog and we made it work. We all slept inside by the way. Did you know you can hang a hammock on the inside?
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:34 PM   #23
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This is adorable! I was just holding out for 3 mor feet.
Ill keep it in mind if nothing comes up! Cheers
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:37 PM   #24
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Jon AZ ...I have a Toyota Sienna and tow capacity says 3500 lbs.
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:38 PM   #25
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I will say I grew up with my family going on a 2 month trip in a vanagon with 3 teenage boys, two adults and a med sized dog and we made it work. We all slept inside by the way. Did you know you can hang a hammock on the inside?
vanagon westies can sleep 2 adults on the main bed, several teens up stairs under the popup, and a kid across the front seats, if they are the bench seat version. The germans know how to squeeze in space!
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:40 PM   #26
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This is adorable! I was just holding out for 3 mor feet.
Ill keep it in mind if nothing comes up! Cheers



You don't say what age the kids are I think your playing folks here something for nothing.

I've never seen anyone post such vague stuff all in the interest of being sincere.
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:46 PM   #27
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You don't say what age the kids are I think your playing folks here something for nothing.

I've never seen anyone post such vague stuff all in the interest of being sincere.
Baby, 4, 10,15... kids ages... I said little ones and 2 big ones.
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:48 PM   #28
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I have had 3 vanagon campers, two air cooled (one was a soft top the other a hard top), and currently own a water cooled soft top. They have a lot more space then you would expect. And with the soft top you get to stand up inside and have tons of headroom.
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Old 08-01-2019, 11:53 PM   #29
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While the idea of 3 more feet on paper seems like a good idea, but you will not get any more sleeping capacity, and it puts you out of your price range. You will be hard pressed to find a 16' at the 5k range.

If I was you, I would be looking at pop-up campers, you can find a nice used one doe 2.5k that will easily sleep 4 adults, or multiple kids at your kids age range.

This thing is 2.5k in good shape, easy to pull, and would fit all of you, letting everyone sleep inside. 2 queen size beds and a king. As an example: Adults and baby take a king, two middle kids take a queen and the 15 gets a bed to them self.
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Old 08-02-2019, 01:11 AM   #30
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Jon AZ ...I have a Toyota Sienna and tow capacity says 3500 lbs.
some practical info, that maybe is a bit numeric...

FYI, both a Casita 16 and Casita 17 have a 3500 lb gross(max) weight. I think the Scamps are pretty much the same, but I've never owned one.

the 16 deluxes (thats with toilet, shower, and air condtioning), tend to be about 2200 lbs before cargo, while the 17's are a few 100 lbs more. but these deluxes don't have room for the bunk, if you want the bunk, you give up the 'water closet', no flush toilet, no shower, no 'black tank' (toilet). the non-deluxes are even lighter 'curb' weight, but have the same max weight.

of this 3500 lbs, 350 to 500 lbs sits on the back bumper of your tow vehicle. the 16s are on the low side of that, the 17s run on the heavier side of tongue weight, but the actual value dose depend on how you load the trailer. This 'tongue weight' has to be subtracted from your vehicles rear axle payload... if you use a 'weight distributing hitch' (WDH), it is more complicated to hook up and disconnect each time but the weight is balanced across front and rear axles of the tow vehicle, so just counts as total payload, and not strictly as rear axle weigth.

your vehicle will have a maximum payload rating, and a 'GCWR' (Gross Combined Weight Rating), these are values you never want to exceed.

Max Payload is how much you can put in the vehicle when you're not towing, that includes the driver and passengers and all cargo including any accessories you've added to the vehicle like roof racks, but not fuel. When you're towing, that also has to include the tongue weight, too.. My 2008 Tacoma Access Cab 4x4 had a Max Payload of 1200 lbs.

The GCWR is the max weight of the vehicle as loaded plus teh trailer as loaded. you do not want to exceed either of these.

there's also a front and rear axle weight rating on the vehicle, you also should not exceed these, and the only way to know your actual load is to bring your fully loaded vehicle to a 'CAT' scale, and they will weigh you axle by axle for around $15 or $20, and give you a printout.

I like to stay well under 'max' loads in anything short of a real heavy duty truck. When Ford tells me my F250 SuperDuty Diesel can carry 2000 lb payload, and/or tow 12500 lb trailer, well, yeah, it really can, all day, every day.. better, the GCWR is such that I really can carry 2000 lbs sans the tongue weight of that 12500 lb trailer, and haul that halfway across the country with authority. On my F250, a trailer over 6500 lbs, you shoudl use a WDH, but my 21 foot Escape 'cabin on wheels' only weighs max 4500 lbs.

but on a FWD unibody minivan like a Sienna, carrying maximum payloads and towing will likely shorten the life of your suspension, increase tthe probability of body rattles and creaks, and make your transmission unhappy sooner than it might other wise have. taking it easy when towing is good, it will postpone all these wear symptoms. drop a gear on your automatic and go a little slower up long/steep hills. heck, drop two gears if it feels like its straining.

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Old 08-02-2019, 01:17 AM   #31
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PS, this is a WDH ("weight distributing hitch") on my former Casita towed by my Tacoma 4x4 TRD Off Road, I added the WDH to that rig not because I had to, but because it made it less 'pitchy', less tendancy to 'porpoise' up and down on dips and bumps...

This is the simplest/classic form of WDH, two flat 'spring bars' under the hitch, with chains that you connect to 'stirrups' on the trailer... it transfers the trailer tongue weight onto the whole tow vehicle instead of just the rear bumper, so it doesn't 'pitch' when you hit a bump, and so the vehicle rides more level. with really large/heavy trailers these are mandantory even on big trucks, but even with my ~3000 lb Casita 16 behind my Tacoma 4x4 TRD (rated for 6500 lb tow), it helped the ride, a lot.

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Old 08-02-2019, 06:37 AM   #32
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Family needs escape pod!

So... there are basically 3 requirements: (1) budget: $5K, (2) beds: 5, 3 of whom are full-sized, and (3) weight: around 2500# actual loaded weight, allowing for additional passengers in the van.

Stick-built travel trailers can be had that meet beds and budget, but not weight. Not even close.

A 13 molded trailer can be had that meets budget (barely) and weight, but it will come up one short on beds.

A 16 Scamp or Casita can be had that meets beds, but it will be well over on budget and marginal on weight. It would have to be a no-bath version, hard to find in the 16 length.

An 8 tent trailer (folds out to 16) hits the mark on budget, beds, and weight. I still think this is your best bet to get started.

We are 4, and we were in the same place as you budget-wise when we were looking for our first camper. I was searching for a small tent trailer, which seemed like the best option. I missed out on a couple before I stumbled on a local 13 Scamp. It worked because we were only 4, and the owner was in a hurry to sell in the fall, so we got it for below market value. Otherwise, wed probable be happily camping in a tent trailer now.

I know one thing: the clock is ticking with your teen. Remaining family time is precious!
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Old 08-02-2019, 08:10 AM   #33
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6 in a 16 footer is tight, standard Casita with front bunk and side single bed could give you the bed space. 13 footer like the Scamp, I don't see it coming anywhere close, unless two are outside in a tent.

Get a pop-up camper or tent and go camping now. Winter camping in the NW in a three season trailer like a Casita or Scamp is marginal. If you stay near the coast, maybe. Of course, winter in the northwest plus the coast = rain. Four season trailers cost more and are much heavier. Lived in the PNW for 13 years.

Standard Casita trailers are very hard to find. Most people opt for the deluxe model to get the bathroom. Finding such a scarce trailer at a way below market budget? Very unlikely. And while you are waiting, you are missing out on memories.

My favorite camping in the PNW was either in the mountains, or over the mountains (I lived in western WA). This meant pulling some serious grades, and in the summer months, some hot weather too. The combination of steep grades, altitude, and sometimes hot weather really taxed my tow vehicle.
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Old 08-07-2019, 03:14 PM   #34
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Don't lose heart!

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Oh, Ive begged!! Mom isnt budging. I dont mind having a project. I have a handy man. I see them in these posts for $5000 but on the east coast.
My 13 ft Casita with bunks and dinette has served me well for the last 6 years or so. Paid less than $5000 when I bought it. I have pulled it all over the country. Never slept 6, but I did take my adult son and two grandchildren on a trip halfway across with no problem. If I had to sleep a couple of more folks, instead of a tent, I would get a couple of Henessey hammocks and let the two oldest kids sleep in them. It was many years ago, but I still remember car camping with my Mom & Dad. I had a war surplus "jungle" hammock and would string that thing up as far away from Mom & Dad as they would allow!

I just bought a 16 ft Casita with the side dinette and wet bath. It has less sleeping room than my 13 ft., but if it had the bunks instead of the wetbath, it would sleep your crew just fine. I paid $7,200 for the 16 ft. and it is in great shape.

I found both of my Casitas in local ads. The 13 foot was a Craigslist ad and the 16 ft in a Facebook ad. I guess what I am trying to say is that your INTENT has as much if not more to do with your success in finding what you want than your budget or anything else. Don't give up on your dream just because someone tells you that it is not practical. Be flexible, but focus on the experience you want and it will probably land in your lap.
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