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DKPendleton 04-03-2019 03:46 PM

Recommendation for a trailer to tow- 2019 Sabaru
 
We have a 2019 Subaru Outback with a 2" towing hitch. A 2019 Subaru Outback has a standard towing capacity of 2,700 lbs. We are two seniors who are minimalists campers; car camping in the back of the Subaru for up to two weeks. We are considering upgrading to a small camper to have the convenience of a toilet/shower. What type of trailer would be recommended for our vehicle and minimal camping style? Thanks.

Jon in AZ 04-03-2019 04:32 PM

The Outback has a decent tow rating but the relatively low 200# tongue weight rating (see the manual for that and other towing caveats) means you are limited to an 1800-2000# (loaded weight) camping trailer, since you want a minimum of 10% tongue weight for stable towing.

A Scamp standard front bath model fits the bill nicely. Stick with a single LP tank to stay within the tongue weight limit. Its available with a standard dinette/bed (45x76) or a large dinette/bed (54x76) with a smaller galley and storage closet. Electric trailer brakes are optional; you'll want them.

This forum is about all-molded fiberglass trailers, but of course, there are other small, lightweight options, from tent trailers to teardrops. Dont know much else under 2000# with a wet bath, though.

thrifty bill 04-03-2019 06:11 PM

+1 to the Scamp 13 with the front bath. Note that in the world of FG trailers, a 13 foot model only has a ten foot body on it. To get a bath, you have to give up something else. The something else is typically a front gaucho "couch" that makes into a set of bunk beds. The gaucho gives you a place to sit without taking up the bed every morning and making it back up every evening (which gets old!)

Don't get misled by trailer dry weights. Check weights in the real world. Manufacturer dry weights understate the actual weight that you will be pulling.

If we ever replace my wife's Honda Element, we will probably get an Outback. I would then use the Outback to pull my Trillium 1300. The Element is just too underpowered for that job, so I use my F150 (tow vehicle for the Escape 19).

DKPendleton 04-03-2019 07:15 PM

We appreciate all the reliable info.
Thank you.

alan H 04-03-2019 07:21 PM

Another one to consider is a little joe made by weiscraft .... not real common... I was luck to find one a few weeks ago
Just picked it up in no California.... my wife and I love it ours is without a bathroom but they do make a model with one
We use a porta potty

DKPendleton 04-03-2019 07:23 PM

Thanks Thrifty Bill. Since the Scamp 13'= 10ft of living space will the Subaru pull a Scamp 16'? Specs say weight is1750-2000 lb & Tongue weight 165lbs

DKPendleton 04-03-2019 07:44 PM

I haven't heard of the Little Joe. I'll check them out. Thanks!

John in Santa Cruz 04-04-2019 12:20 AM

a 16 with a bath typically has a GWR of 3500 lbs, 350-450 lb tongue weight when fully loaded. dry weight is around 2000-2200 lbs, give or take...so the trick is to load it as lightly as possible, which isn't easy, its amazing how fast bedding + towels + food + water + beverages + clothing + cooking gear adds up...

John in Santa Cruz 04-04-2019 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by DKPendleton (Post 737999)
I haven't heard of the Little Joe. I'll check them out. Thanks!

note thats a very minimalist trailer.... 'pressurized' water, meaning, no water pump, you put up to 6 gallons of water in the tank, then pump it up with airpressure from a bicycle pump. there's no holding tank, so you need an external grey water holding tank... there's no shower or toilet. propane, stove, fridge are optional. its basically a bedroom. you can use a portable toilet, where you replace the waste bag every day or two.

DKPendleton 04-04-2019 06:03 AM

John in Santa Cruz, Thanks for the info.

DKPendleton 04-04-2019 06:06 AM

Appreciate all the helpful feedback.

alan H 04-04-2019 10:02 AM

Actually that is not totally correct about the little joe
They make a model called The ponderosa which does have a toilet & shower... I visited there facility in December and have a brochure that talks about those features... they are located about an hour from me not far from Denver.... in fact I just dropped off my trailer at their facility on Monday to have a few modifications made.... great guys

CasitaMiner 04-04-2019 10:21 AM

The CVT transmissions used in late model Subaru's will not fare well towing.

WaltP 04-04-2019 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by CasitaMiner (Post 738036)
The CVT transmissions used in late model Subaru's will not fare well towing.

That's an important consideration all right. Do you have a source for a reliable explanation of that issue?

Walt

thrifty bill 04-04-2019 11:06 AM

If you want to buy used, then finding a Little Joe will be nearly impossible. Scamp is a more realistic choice for used. And no, your Outback is not suitable to tow a Scamp 16. The fact that a 13 only has a 10 foot box does not make a difference.

WaltP 04-04-2019 11:11 AM

Although Casita no longer makes a 13', they do show up used and could be another possibility. I think they are pretty comparable to the Scamp in terms of dry weight and tongue weight.

Walt

Gilles 04-04-2019 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon in AZ (Post 737982)
The Outback has a decent tow rating but the relatively low 200# tongue weight rating (see the manual for that and other towing caveats) means you are limited to an 1800-2000# (loaded weight) camping trailer, since you want a minimum of 10% tongue weight for stable towing.

For the Subaru Outback, to compensate for the difference in weight between its ability to tow and its capacity on the lug, installing stabilizer bars would be correct??

I already met a camper with a small car and a little trailer camper, balanced with one little stabilizer bar and he told me it was ok in his case.

https://www.etrailer.com/faq-how-to-...ue-weight.aspx

Jon in AZ 04-04-2019 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilles (Post 738050)
For the Subaru Outback, to compensate for the difference in weight between its ability to tow and its capacity on the lug, installing stabilizer bars would be correct??

I already met a camper with a small car and a little trailer camper, balanced with one little stabilizer bar and he told me it was ok in his case.

https://www.etrailer.com/faq-how-to-...ue-weight.aspx

Using a weight distributing hitch does not override the manufacturer's tongue weight rating, unless the owner's manual specifies a higher limit with WDH. Most trucks and a few passenger vehicles are like that. For example, I believe the Grand Caravan/Town and Country specify a limit of 1800# on a weight carrying hitch and 3500# on a weight distributing hitch.

Most smaller crossovers, including the Outback, do not endorse WDH. Many of the lighter receiver hitches are not rated for WDH use, either.

Good equipment, including WDH used appropriately, can make towing within manufacturers' ratings better and safer by improving stability, handling, and braking. There is a whole RV sub-industry that revolves around modifications and equipment to tow beyond the manufacturer's ratings. I personally choose not to go there.

Gilles 04-04-2019 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon in AZ (Post 738057)
Using a weight distributing hitch does not override the manufacturer's tongue weight rating, unless the owner's manual specifies a higher limit with WDH. Most trucks and a few passenger vehicles are like that. For example, I believe the Grand Caravan/Town and Country specify a limit of 1800# on a weight carrying hitch and 3500# on a weight distributing hitch.

Most smaller crossovers, including the Outback, do not endorse WDH. Many of the lighter receiver hitches are not rated for WDH use, either.

Good equipment, including WDH used appropriately, can make towing within manufacturers' ratings better and safer by improving stability, handling, and braking. There is a whole RV sub-industry that revolves around modifications and equipment to tow beyond the manufacturer's ratings. I personally choose not to go there.

As Subaru is inconsistent in the vehicle's ability to tow up to 2700 lbs, accompanied by a maximum weight of 170 lbs on the tongue ...
The rule of 10% to 15% minimum on the tongue, is not present in their rules, to prevent the swaying of the trailer.
With a trailer of 2700 lbs, 270 lbs minimum should be present ...
They should say 170 lbs on the tongue accompanied by a remoque of 1700 lbs ???
No?

Jon in AZ 04-04-2019 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gilles (Post 738065)
As Subaru is inconsistent in the vehicle's ability to tow up to 2700 lbs, accompanied by a maximum weight of 170 lbs on the tongue ...
The rule of 10% to 15% minimum on the tongue, is not present in their rules, to prevent the swaying of the trailer.
With a trailer of 2700 lbs, 270 lbs minimum should be present ...
They should say 170 lbs on the tongue accompanied by a remoque of 1700 lbs ???
No?

Travel and cargo trailers typically specify 10-15% tongue weight, but boat trailers often carry much less. Subaru's ratings do represent a mismatch for owners desiring to pull travel trailers, but they are real limits set by the manufacturer.

The Subaru manual also has a caveat that the tow rating of 2700# is reduced by 50% when towing under certain severe conditions (long grades in high temperatures).

All of that adds up in my mind to a conservative approach to towing with this vehicle.


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