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RobertW 06-12-2019 01:46 PM

Things to take and things to leave
 
We just got back from meeting some great people at the Bourbon and Eggs rally (thanks again everyone!) and getting some great advice on trailers. We plan on retiring and full timing in about 1-2 years so we’re still in the planning stages.

In looking at trailers, we found we don’t have a clear idea of how much storage space we need because we don’t have a list yet of what we need to take. Many things like clothes and cooking gear are obvious but I’d like to ask those of you who have gone full time or long duration what you took that you never needed and what you didn’t take and found you couldn’t do without?

Alf S. 06-12-2019 03:20 PM

Things to take and things to leave.
 
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Originally Posted by RobertW (Post 745149)
We just got back from meeting some great people at the Bourbon and Eggs rally (thanks again everyone!) and getting some great advice on trailers. We plan on retiring and full timing in about 1-2 years so we’re still in the planning stages.

In looking at trailers, we found we don’t have a clear idea of how much storage space we need because we don’t have a list yet of what we need to take. Many things like clothes and cooking gear are obvious but I’d like to ask those of you who have gone full time or long duration what you took that you never needed and what you didn’t take and found you couldn’t do without?

Hi: RobertW... It's simple. Take pictures, leave foot prints!!! Everyones supply list is different!!!
Alf S. North shore of Lake Erie:wave

k corbin 06-12-2019 05:19 PM

Categorize what you need by tasks and activities.



For instance here is one for on the road repairs


a basic set of tools that has screwdrivers, sockets, adjustable wrench etc.


some repair tape that is exterior rated just in case you get a hole or a leak.

a good LED headlamp


A set of replacement fuses for the tow vehicle and the trailer


extra bulbs for tail lights if you don't have LEDs



Make sure you have the right jacks along for flat tire changes



a length of rope is handy even if just for a temporary clothes line to dry towels or clothing articles


A small tarp can double as an emergency repair patch for a broken window or be used for picnics or hung up with the rope for a temporary shade shelter.


But don't go overboard on repair items, keep them simple, versatile, compact and light weight.

David B. 06-12-2019 06:50 PM

Robert, we have found that having storage available in your tow vehicle works best. We keep cold weather clothing in plastic storage containers in the back of the covered truck bed, and switch out with summer clothes when needed from the trailer. Some use a van as a tow vehicle, but just don’t go to small.
Best of luck with your personalized set-up.
Dave & Paula

CPW 06-12-2019 09:57 PM

Honestly, Robert, find the trailer with the layout you like best. Purchase it. Make a list of all the things you think you might need, and purchase what you don’t have. Try to organize it efficiently in the storage space available in the trailer. If you cannot fit it all in, try to fit it into the tow vehicle. Once it is all organized, pat yourself on the back. But make it a small pat, because you will find what you think you need and what you actually need will evolve for some time. But eventually, with perseverance and some trial and error, you will figure out what works for YOU, because you are unique and what might work for someone else might not work for you. Four years into my current trailer and it pretty much meets my wants and needs. But upon reaching that point, you will still make the occasional tweak, because wants, needs, and priorities change. For example, the slow cooker you love to use might be replaced with an more versatile InstaPot. Sooner or later, the end result will be close to perfect but it is doubtful it will ever be absolute perfection. You will likely continue to make changes, improve efficiency, etc. as long as you are RVing.

Borrego Dave 06-12-2019 11:02 PM

+ 10 on Carl's comments.

John in Santa Cruz 06-13-2019 01:42 AM

Today, I just unloaded 6-8 carry bags of my wife's clothes and stuff that spent the entire 3 weeks of our recent Utah trip jammed in the back seat of our extended cab F250.

just sayin'

Borrego Dave 06-13-2019 02:31 AM

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Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz (Post 745229)
Today, I just unloaded 6-8 carry bags of my wife's clothes and stuff that spent the entire 3 weeks of our recent Utah trip jammed in the back seat of our extended cab F250. just sayin'

OK John, I've just got to ask....were any of those bags used or did they just take a trip ;).

John in Santa Cruz 06-13-2019 02:45 AM

afaik, they just took the ride. but I too brought several jackets I never wore, as we tried to prepare for everything from freezing rain to baking sun.

we ended up doing laundry twice on our trip, first at our son's house in Reno where we overnighted after the Strawberry Music Festival, then again in Kodachrome Basin SP. that left us with plenty of clothes for the last leg and return. We had full hookups at Strawberry, were dry but there was a full dump station at KC Basin SP, ,and Dead Horse Point SP had electrical without water/sewer hookups but had a dump on the way out, without water refill. We refilled our water tank at a Love's on I40 to cover til we got home.

Jim Bennett 06-13-2019 09:12 AM

Coming from a backcountry adventure life to trailer camping, I bring along very little clothes but have never had and issue with this, after all I am camping and that great pair of shorts pants can work for many days. Even my wife is getting better, realizing just a couple jackets is good enough.

We need to leave room for the fun stuff. :)

Gordon in Idaho 06-13-2019 09:15 AM

Once you have found the right trailer (you may not have infinite choices), take a short shake down trip, or a stay in your driveway, and make a list. Pencil and paper may be your best tools to start with.


Gordon

ZachO 06-13-2019 09:33 AM

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My trailer has a lot of storage, plus the bed of my truck, so I can fit a lot. I make all sorts of compromises, but basically I take it all! I just try to buy only compact stuff.

The above responses are great. Start out with what you think you need and will fit, then adapt as you learn what you really need vs what fits.

I think it depends on the person, but in general I agree that buying the trailer that feels most comfortable to you, then fitting what you can is a better approach than figuring out how much crap you think you need and buying a trailer that has enough storage for that crap. You'll end up with one of those ginormous 5th wheels, with another full storage trailer behind it! Or this:

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Whatever space I have, within reason, I seem to expand or contract to fit.

Wayne Collins 06-13-2019 10:01 AM

Take half as many clothes than you think you will need,
And twice as much money.

Jim Bennett 06-13-2019 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Gordon in Idaho (Post 745260)
Once you have found the right trailer (you may not have infinite choices), take a short shake down trip, or a stay in your driveway, and make a list. Pencil and paper may be your best tools to start with.


Gordon

This is good advice as everyone camps differently, and other than absolutely needed items, they tend to vary in activities and desires.

After each trip reevaluate what you have brought, you may find items you really don't need and others you feel would be nice.

At least once a year go through every item in your trailer and reevaluate. You will likely find a fair few items that you really don't need that you thought you did. I certainly have a few times now.

Bringing a credit card or the cash to buy the odd item you had not brought and possibly never even thought about would be good.

At first using a good setup and tear down to do list is a great thing to follow. We never do this ourselves now that we are very adept at the process and know what to look for. We actually each do a walk around and in the trailer before leaving to be sure.

Jim Bennett 06-13-2019 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Wayne Collins (Post 745265)
Take half as many clothes than you think you will need,
And twice as much money.

Lots of places where no clothes are needed as well. :D

But on the note of clothes you are correct. Folks generally bring more than needed. I don't, I bring enough to stretch out to near two weeks if washing is not available. A pair of pants will do me many days if not badly dirtied.

honda03842 06-13-2019 03:38 PM

Packing
 
Less is Best, it becomes a simpler life.

We've traveled for 10 years, 7-8 months a year, in a Scamp 16 or Scamp like trailer. This is a frenetic response, off the cuff but will give you a general view.

Of course like many we started in a bigger rig, actually a motorhome. We downsized to a small trailer "just" so we could drive across Labrador, not planning to keep that "too little???" trailer. We ended the trip by saying, boy that was easy, continuing on completing an 8 month loop of the USA, and finally coming home and sold the motorhome.

We are now on our 8th loop of the USA, having spending over 4000 nights on the road in our 19 years. Really a great life. We've learned you don't need a lot to see North America.

We have never felt we needed more space, totally satisfied by the space available.

As to clothes, you enter a different world with extended traveling. You can happily get by with less. You don't need different outfits every day. Our view is you need 7 days worth of clothes, our wash interval. We don't carry seasonal clothing. We simply layer for weather. We do not consider our tow vehicle a closet. We do keep a sweater, a rain coat and the like to put on when out hiking. If the weather gets cool we wear 5 layers. We don't iron, the wrinkled look works just fine. We carry one dress outfit, for church or special outings.

Our University age grandkids manage Europe from a backpack.

The most used tool I carry is my Leatherman, used daily and now 19 years old.
We do carry other tools but find they are rarely used, generally for the little emergency. We do carry a small compressor, a bottle jack, a socket set, a tire repair kit and .... The compressor is used about monthly depending on route.

We minimize pots and pans, glasses, plates and dishes (typically 4 of each) 99 percent of the time it's just the two of us. Crock pot is handy. (As well our kitchen table is designed for 2.)

We don't have a microwave, space is too valuable and a stove can do anything a microwave can do. We eat in our rig about twice a day.

We carry 5 or so spices. Learned to live without ice.

We carry four large towels, two normal bath and two beach towels (They do double duty serving as back up to bath towels and are normally in the tow vehicle).

We carry two sets of sheets, 2 pillows. We minimize footwear. The only exception is sneakers and Pickleball rackets to allow us to play on the road.

We have no hanging clothes. Everything is folded and organized. Any closet has been converted to shelves, all under space like under the dinette has been converted to draws or pull out bins.

Of course we have the rule if you don't use it don't bring it next time.

Glenn Baglo 06-13-2019 03:39 PM

Anything you decide you don't need can be stored in Jim Norman's garage. :loltu

Jim Bennett 06-13-2019 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo (Post 745293)
Anything you decide you don't need can be stored in Jim Norman's garage. :loltu

Are you sure about this? I thought spare junk was stored in his basement. ;)

k corbin 06-14-2019 03:37 AM

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Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz (Post 745229)
Today, I just unloaded 6-8 carry bags of my wife's clothes and stuff that spent the entire 3 weeks of our recent Utah trip jammed in the back seat of our extended cab F250.

just sayin'

No doubt your wife has plenty to say about what you take along but fortunately for you she is not going online and posting it publicly.

CPW 06-14-2019 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo (Post 745293)
Anything you decide you don't need can be stored in Jim Norman's garage. :loltu

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Originally Posted by Jim Bennett (Post 745296)
Are you sure about this? I thought spare junk was stored in his basement. ;)

Perhaps when Jim decides to change trailers again (likely within a year) rather than selling his 21 (Deja View) he can gut it and turn it into a “fiberglass storage facility” for other FGRV owners. With the rental fees he collects he can finance his future Escapes!:D

John in Santa Cruz 06-14-2019 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by k corbin (Post 745348)
No doubt your wife has plenty to say about what you take along but fortunately for you she is not going online and posting it publicly.

I bring the things like chairs for camp, small folding tables, etc.

floyd 06-14-2019 04:15 PM

Unless you are wilderness boondocking....

Don't pack more consumables than for immediate needs.
That includes fresh water.

Ordinarily... there is a WalMart around every corner, so you don't need to carry cans of Spam or beans a thousand miles.
Consolidate Utensils, You don't need service for eight when there is only two of you, maybe four if you invite new friends for lunch.
One pan, One skillet etc.
layered clothing in limited quantities.
A First Aid kit is important
Meds especially prescription meds, might need to be enough for the trip.
Oh! and an extra pair of glasses.




Watch your inventory on subsequent trips, If you haven't used it in the last several trips you might want to question whether it belongs on the next trip or on a shelf at home.

Jim Bennett 06-14-2019 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by floyd (Post 745416)
Unless you are wilderness boondocking....

Don't pack more consumables than for immediate needs.
That includes fresh water.

Ordinarily... there is a WalMart around every corner, so you don't need to carry cans of Spam or beans a thousand miles.
Consolidate Utensils, You don't need service for eight when there is only two of you, maybe four if you invite new friends for lunch.
One pan, One skillet etc.
layered clothing in limited quantities.


Watch your inventory on subsequent trips, If you haven't used it in the last several trips you might want to question whether it belongs on the next trip or on a shelf at home.

You missed us on every point. I'll send you my wife's email address, I would love to see you convince her otherwise.

This said, we pack way lighter than most folks we know. :)

k corbin 06-14-2019 11:22 PM

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Originally Posted by floyd (Post 745416)
Unless you are wilderness boondocking....


Oh! and an extra pair of glasses.


Extra pair of glasses?



That would be very nice of you if you are offering to buy me some. They only cost about $300.00 for each pair.

Glenn Baglo 06-14-2019 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by k corbin (Post 745443)
Extra pair of glasses?



That would be very nice of you if you are offering to buy me some. They only cost about $300.00 for each pair.


I presume you have your eyes examined and prescription updated from time to time. Just keep an old pair in the trailer for emergencies.

Jon in AZ 06-15-2019 08:02 AM

I follow Floyd’s advice. KISS (keep it simple, Scamper). Two cooking pans. One set of dishes and tableware (with a few extras). Multi-use layered clothing. Food depends on where we’re going, but we do like to bring pre-frozen meats. Except for emergency items, stop bringing stuff that doesn’t get used.

Good camp chairs are very important. Table- only when going to an undeveloped campsite- but always a tablecloth. Plenty of paper towels, toilet paper, and baby wipes- essential.

Leveling blocks and wheel chocks, including pads for the stabilizers on soft ground. Simple round bubble level. Basic tool kit. Don’t forget a jack and lug wrench for the trailer (vehicle tools may or may not fit). Air compressor is handy.

If you have full hookups, that adds additional requirements, including heavy duty extension cord, electric adapters, water hose, filter and pressure regulator.

RobertW 06-15-2019 12:35 PM

Thanks all for the helpful responses. There’s a number of things we hadn’t yet thought about, like the extra glasses. Our situation is a little different than a long duration trip in that we will not have a home base to restock. We’ll have a small storage room somewhere for keepsakes and artwork, but we don’t intend to keep extra gear there as we don’t intend to drive halfway across the country to get something from it. While I do expect to have to buy some things as we go, I’d hate to dispose of something and have to replace it later (it will happen, I know). At the same time, we want to eliminate as much as possible.

We’re backpackers so we have lightweight outdoor clothing and know how to pack light and go without clean clothes every day.

We also intend to use an outdoor kitchen most of time rather than cook in the tight space of the trailer. That involves some of the heaviest gear we’ll carry, a propane stove and a table, undecided on a clam or similar. I have an old (belonged to my parents when I was little) set of nesting aluminum camping pots in excellent shape that gives most of our cooking gear. I won’t give up my cast iron skillet though. We’ll be boondocking a lot so food storage is important, especially if we’re a long way for the nearest town.

The trailer is still undecided but I think we’ll end up in an Escape, probably a 19. I really like the permanent bed and it seems the best compromise between enough space to not be too claustrophobic but small enough to keep the stuff from expanding.

Davie B 11-20-2019 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RobertW (Post 745521)
Thanks all for the helpful responses. There’s a number of things we hadn’t yet thought about, like the extra glasses. Our situation is a little different than a long duration trip in that we will not have a home base to restock. We’ll have a small storage room somewhere for keepsakes and artwork, but we don’t intend to keep extra gear there as we don’t intend to drive halfway across the country to get something from it. While I do expect to have to buy some things as we go, I’d hate to dispose of something and have to replace it later (it will happen, I know). At the same time, we want to eliminate as much as possible.

We’re backpackers so we have lightweight outdoor clothing and know how to pack light and go without clean clothes every day.

We also intend to use an outdoor kitchen most of time rather than cook in the tight space of the trailer. That involves some of the heaviest gear we’ll carry, a propane stove and a table, undecided on a clam or similar. I have an old (belonged to my parents when I was little) set of nesting aluminum camping pots in excellent shape that gives most of our cooking gear. I won’t give up my cast iron skillet though. We’ll be boondocking a lot so food storage is important, especially if we’re a long way for the nearest town.

The trailer is still undecided but I think we’ll end up in an Escape, probably a 19. I really like the permanent bed and it seems the best compromise between enough space to not be too claustrophobic but small enough to keep the stuff from expanding.



We removed the stove and icebox from our LiteHouse. We carry a 12x16 popup in our truck and a folding table on top of the bed in the camper. We use an old Primus lp stove with a 20# propane tank. Also in the back of the truck. There is also a 12v TruckFridge in the back of the truck.

CBG 11-21-2019 11:11 PM

havent been out in our Scamp yet, so not sure what that will be like. I have a TINY living quarters in my horse trailer and have adopted some simple rules. If its not used it stays home is a good one. The other is, anything that goes in has to do at least two jobs. (Metal plate doubles as sink cover, coffee pot heats tea water and wash water), however, one job can be to look nice. I grew up on camping gear was ratty stuff "handed down" from the house. My camping stuff looks nice and matches. Makes being in the trailer much more peaceful when things look nice. I also don't have more stuff than can be stored away neatly.

Civilguy 11-24-2019 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by k corbin (Post 745348)
No doubt your wife has plenty to say about what you take along but fortunately for you she is not going online and posting it publicly.

Quote:

Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz (Post 745374)
I bring the things like chairs for camp, small folding tables, etc.

..."etc." naturally including 'telescopes of unusual size'...

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Originally Posted by John in Santa Cruz (Post 699117)
As I think I mentioned before, I should have my rather large astronomical telescope so if the sky is clear, I will plan on at least one night of star gazing for any and all who are interested...

https://www.fiberglassrv.com/forums/f...tml#post699117

Sorry John, couldn't resist. ; )

k0wtz 02-09-2020 08:21 AM

david b
 
david great idea on clothes.

bob

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Originally Posted by David B. (Post 745212)
Robert, we have found that having storage available in your tow vehicle works best. We keep cold weather clothing in plastic storage containers in the back of the covered truck bed, and switch out with summer clothes when needed from the trailer. Some use a van as a tow vehicle, but just don’t go to small.
Best of luck with your personalized set-up.
Dave & Paula


k0wtz 02-09-2020 08:26 AM

what we carry
 
After being a tenter for 30 years world wide I may say. we pretty well have things down and it works in the scamp but we get a table and 2 chairs for outside.

1 sauce pan heating water for military baths, 1 skillet 1 coffee 2 cups the rest is disposable. if traveling we dump trash daily when getting gas. 4 towels, wash cloths and few cloths.

since we usually boondock at walmarts food is kept to a minimum except when thinking we will be down for a few days or a week then we buy some extra groceries1

sort of use the KISS principle works for us.

bob
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Originally Posted by CBG (Post 761195)
havent been out in our Scamp yet, so not sure what that will be like. I have a TINY living quarters in my horse trailer and have adopted some simple rules. If its not used it stays home is a good one. The other is, anything that goes in has to do at least two jobs. (Metal plate doubles as sink cover, coffee pot heats tea water and wash water), however, one job can be to look nice. I grew up on camping gear was ratty stuff "handed down" from the house. My camping stuff looks nice and matches. Makes being in the trailer much more peaceful when things look nice. I also don't have more stuff than can be stored away neatly.


steve dunham 02-09-2020 11:04 AM

We take along whatever my wife thinks she needs or wants or could possibly need or want .
I realize there is a Walmart around every corner but the thought of getting up from sitting around a campfire and going shopping at Walmart has absolutely
no appeal.

k0wtz 02-11-2020 09:04 AM

oh the wifey
 
been there done that with wifey. worked great when I had the 40f bus every looked around in one of those things? you can almost put your whole house in one it had the big generator about all the gadgets you could want. I hated it I hated driving it, I just hated it.

went back to tenting learned how to keep everything in the trunk of the car. cheap travels except camping cost. Then came across tow alongs. Why not try it? I did we love it!

but we have cut all stuff to almost nothing!

bob

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Originally Posted by steve dunham (Post 767923)
We take along whatever my wife thinks she needs or wants or could possibly need or want .
I realize there is a Walmart around every corner but the thought of getting up from sitting around a campfire and going shopping at Walmart has absolutely
no appeal.


ZachO 02-11-2020 09:32 AM

In my case, I bring everything I own...

This is the "fulltiming" section of the forum. It's a very delicate, ever changing balance of what I'm willing to haul between my truck and trailer, what I need in the summer vs winter when I'm in a house etc.

Anyway other people's ideas are helpful to get your ideas flowing, but in the end, you'll only know by trial and error. As you're actually doing it, and time goes by, you'll get it dialed in.

You definitely hit on something I've found...the outdoor kitchen. As nice as it sounds for camping, when you're fulltiming, it's pretty redundant. Just like you said, it's some of the heaviest, and I'll bet bulkiest stuff you'll carry, all in addition to the full kitchen inside your trailer. For me, not worth it. Because I also car camp a lot, I do have a small two burner stove and a roll-top table and cot. They take up the space most people's camp chairs take up. I'm an outlier, but I personally go very minimal on camp chairs. I have a tiny camp stool.

I find clothes are worth their bulk. Again this is a personal thing. Though some of what I do is definitely not rational and I'm ok with that, you can, after months or years living out of a camper, learn some surprising things about what's important to you. I have a lot of clothes. Not by the standards of most people living in houses with closets, but a lot for someone living in a camper. I don't like "backpacking" clothes. They have their place, but I like natural fibers. Often that means bulk. I love my puffy, down coat, but you can't stand around a bonfire in the fall or winter in a puffy coat. You can't do field work in light polyester clothes without tearing them to shreds. So I also have a carhartt coat. etc, etc, etc. I used to struggle against the redundancy of a lot of my clothes, but in the end, I do a lot of outdoor stuff in a lot of different weather. It's worth it to have a lot of different clothes.

You'll figure out how things work for you. I agree, the hardest thing is what you know you won't take with you, but you're not sure you want to get rid of. I still have a small tub of things I haven't used since I moved out of my house in 2014, but haven't been able to bring myself to get rid of...

RogerDat 02-13-2020 08:40 PM

If you have had to move something a few times to get to what you actually need at the least the item being moved is stored in the wrong spot.

Except for items intended for emergencies the guide should be do I use it? How often? How much would I miss it.

Some items due to small size we keep. I like having stickers for the ends of corn on the cob. Willing to give up the space they take up for the occasional convenience they provide. I probably have too many "spares" like batteries, bulbs, boot laces, mantles, matches etc. but I really don't feel like going to Walmart more often than I need food.

I used to do a lot of boondock camping in a school bus camper conversion. Once parked I wasn't going to move. Still prefer that sort of camping but have adjusted to less space, much less space. Bus slept 9 and the 13 foot scamp 4 if 2 are smaller than our grandkids.

Keeping rain gear and warm jacket as well as beach wear in the car does mean you always have it. Won't find yourself out and about and uncomfortably cold or wet.

I like clean socks and underwear. I will pack as much as I think the duration away from a washing machine warrants. Somewhat the same about undershirts/t-shirts. I have backpacked and can live with smelling like a walking bear repellant but I prefer not to.

The one thing that confounds me is gear for camping with shore power or gear for rustic or boondock. Also camping for overnight when traveling. There are items I really like when I have power like a small electric skillet. A toaster and hot plate for coffee pot can help get me on the road again quickly when traveling. They are a waste of space when boondocking. When boondocking I cherish my Coleman fuel lantern that doesn't get used much in modern campgrounds. I really like having everything packed and ready to go in the camper all the time but those differences in gear do mean I sometimes have gear I really won't use on the current trip or at the least could do without.


Last trip out west. No Coleman fuel lantern, LED lanterns (Harbor Freight) and it worked well but... there was an evening or two when the heat from the Coleman would have made sitting around a bit more pleasant.

Even after many decades of camping I'm still refining things. It is part of the fun. One thing I did is organize check list of gear in the order it is stored around the camper. Can start at drivers side bench seat and work my way around the camper. Same for consumables check list. It helps with organization and allows me to visualize where the item fits from the list. I know most do list organized by "kitchen" and "bedding" and "toiletries" etc. but for me a list organized by location works better. The consumables check list becomes an instant shopping list when done.

Last year for a trip out west to Utah I added a modest sized luggage box for the roof of the car. I found getting the items like folding chairs and tarp poles up there really made a difference. I can't get a lot in the luggage box but the stuff I do get there are all things I found constantly in the way when not in use. Fuel economy didn't seem suffer noticeably. Whatever wind drag from the tapered box was probably offset by reduced wind load on camper behind it.

Almost forgot disposable plates, cups and bowls. Big debate in our house between wife and myself. Disposable take up a lot more space than "real" plate, cup and bowl. That said the disposables can really streamline the clean up after a meal. Package of plates or cups lasts a long time. Can buy type that will burn cleanly. But a pack of paper plates takes up several times the space of a stack of 4 plates. Cups are even worse.

I also have the family mess kit for the big pot. Never use the rest of it. Don't use the big pot often but... sort of attached to the kit after all these years. Can easily get a good field shower out of that pot with a plastic mess kit cup. Big enough for corn on the cob, a sea food boil or large batch of smoked sausage and canned vegetables soup. But I should really replace the inside contents of smaller pots and plates with stuff that will get used.


Like I said even after decades the process of refining continues. I will say the bus was nice in that I could just pick up my large mechanics tool box and slip it under the master bed. Had pretty much any tool I could need. The 6 mpg made zero sense once all the kids were grown and married. We did one trip through Colorado with the 4 grown kids and a grown niece. It rocked and all the gear fit easily. Including 6 cases of music cassettes (everyone has own taste). Short of 30 some feet of bus compromises must be made.

k0wtz 02-14-2020 08:08 AM

your ideas
 
I like you ideas we also had the luxury 40f Eagle converted bus. The damn thing wore me out big big big everywhere. Got to park big it just wasn't my game in camping!

So I got rid of it and went back to tenting. I follow the disposable route except for my favorite coffee cups the plastic ones hospitals use as they don't burn your lips when drinking coffee!

Now we have tented 8 times in Europe this brings up some interesting changes in things and even more cutbacks. Oh of all things they have stores in Europe. After long debates I found I was right and wrong on a few things!

Since we have a 13f Scamp it has a built in stove p/o had taken it out but I put one back in. After almost tipping over a boiling pot of bath water the Coleman is put away. I now have a stable place to boil water.

Yes to H/Freight free lights I must have 20 of them now and they work! I don't use battery power any more at all! Have a battery on the toungue but thinking about removing it!

I find boondocking a money saving idea and enjoy camping on a parking lot hard to do with a tent! We really drew attention when we would set-up our A-Liner loved that thing but my back prevents me from using it so it was sold!

We have a small portable radio I put a car radio in but don't run it! It consumes too much power and the portable gets us the local news. No TV we are camping. Right? No dver either! Just solitude of camping wherever we are!

Does our style suit everyone? I doubt it! Probably very few but in the boondocking world I have luxury!

bob
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Originally Posted by RogerDat (Post 768421)
If you have had to move something a few times to get to what you actually need at the least the item being moved is stored in the wrong spot.

Except for items intended for emergencies the guide should be do I use it? How often? How much would I miss it.

Some items due to small size we keep. I like having stickers for the ends of corn on the cob. Willing to give up the space they take up for the occasional convenience they provide. I probably have too many "spares" like batteries, bulbs, boot laces, mantles, matches etc. but I really don't feel like going to Walmart more often than I need food.

I used to do a lot of boondock camping in a school bus camper conversion. Once parked I wasn't going to move. Still prefer that sort of camping but have adjusted to less space, much less space. Bus slept 9 and the 13 foot scamp 4 if 2 are smaller than our grandkids.

Keeping rain gear and warm jacket as well as beach wear in the car does mean you always have it. Won't find yourself out and about and uncomfortably cold or wet.

I like clean socks and underwear. I will pack as much as I think the duration away from a washing machine warrants. Somewhat the same about undershirts/t-shirts. I have backpacked and can live with smelling like a walking bear repellant but I prefer not to.

The one thing that confounds me is gear for camping with shore power or gear for rustic or boondock. Also camping for overnight when traveling. There are items I really like when I have power like a small electric skillet. A toaster and hot plate for coffee pot can help get me on the road again quickly when traveling. They are a waste of space when boondocking. When boondocking I cherish my Coleman fuel lantern that doesn't get used much in modern campgrounds. I really like having everything packed and ready to go in the camper all the time but those differences in gear do mean I sometimes have gear I really won't use on the current trip or at the least could do without.


Last trip out west. No Coleman fuel lantern, LED lanterns (Harbor Freight) and it worked well but... there was an evening or two when the heat from the Coleman would have made sitting around a bit more pleasant.

Even after many decades of camping I'm still refining things. It is part of the fun. One thing I did is organize check list of gear in the order it is stored around the camper. Can start at drivers side bench seat and work my way around the camper. Same for consumables check list. It helps with organization and allows me to visualize where the item fits from the list. I know most do list organized by "kitchen" and "bedding" and "toiletries" etc. but for me a list organized by location works better. The consumables check list becomes an instant shopping list when done.

Last year for a trip out west to Utah I added a modest sized luggage box for the roof of the car. I found getting the items like folding chairs and tarp poles up there really made a difference. I can't get a lot in the luggage box but the stuff I do get there are all things I found constantly in the way when not in use. Fuel economy didn't seem suffer noticeably. Whatever wind drag from the tapered box was probably offset by reduced wind load on camper behind it.

Almost forgot disposable plates, cups and bowls. Big debate in our house between wife and myself. Disposable take up a lot more space than "real" plate, cup and bowl. That said the disposables can really streamline the clean up after a meal. Package of plates or cups lasts a long time. Can buy type that will burn cleanly. But a pack of paper plates takes up several times the space of a stack of 4 plates. Cups are even worse.

I also have the family mess kit for the big pot. Never use the rest of it. Don't use the big pot often but... sort of attached to the kit after all these years. Can easily get a good field shower out of that pot with a plastic mess kit cup. Big enough for corn on the cob, a sea food boil or large batch of smoked sausage and canned vegetables soup. But I should really replace the inside contents of smaller pots and plates with stuff that will get used.


Like I said even after decades the process of refining continues. I will say the bus was nice in that I could just pick up my large mechanics tool box and slip it under the master bed. Had pretty much any tool I could need. The 6 mpg made zero sense once all the kids were grown and married. We did one trip through Colorado with the 4 grown kids and a grown niece. It rocked and all the gear fit easily. Including 6 cases of music cassettes (everyone has own taste). Short of 30 some feet of bus compromises must be made.



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