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floyd 09-13-2020 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CPW (Post 792908)
It would be extremely difficult for anyone with even a moderate amount of intelligence to NOT realize your statement was hypothetical when it started “even if.” You are wrong, I knew what you were saying, and what your probable intentions were. I have had far too many conversations with you over the years not to know from where you are coming, and I would hope, you me. And I believe while we tend to “spar” with one another in good fun, we basically agree about many things. I just don’t share your good experiences with the company that built (or their product), what is for YOU, the finest trailer ever made. :reye2

Some say that the Duesenberg was the finest car ever built, I still prefer a Ford even from the same era... good, solid, reliable and relatively cheap.
Not sure which is the finest fiberglass trailer... Maybe Oliver? BigFoot? Nest? some even think it is Escape!
My Ford and my Scamp serve me well with a proven track record, I guess that's what counts.

CPW 09-13-2020 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by floyd (Post 793132)
Some say that the Duesenberg was the finest car ever built, I still prefer a Ford even from the same era... good, solid, reliable and relatively cheap.
Not sure which is the finest fiberglass trailer... Maybe Oliver? BigFoot? Nest? some even think it is Escape!
My Ford and my Scamp serve me well with a proven track record, I guess that's what counts.

Floyd, my dad always went all starry-eyed when he talked about Packards. Maybe a fine car but it ended up like the dodo..... extinct. I really don’t think that there is a finest fiberglass trailer. And I would NOT contest a single word in your last sentence because you include the very important qualifier “serve Me well” but you should perhaps add “for me” after “proven track record.” I say that because I doubt there is a person alive who can honestly claim every item they have ever purchased/owned has served them well. And not everyone has had a proven track record with Ford or Scamp. Except for the recent EMP incident that was obviously beyond Ford’s control, I have not owned a Ford product that was a dud. But I’ve owned three Chrysler products and every one was a dud, which is why I will never own another. Yet there are many people who swear by Rams. Poor track record in my case, and good track record in theirs. I only wish that I could have had as good an experience with my Scamp as you have had with yours, but I didn’t. It would have saved me a ton of money and oodles of stress and frustration. But no matter what the product, there will always be some loyal consumers and some disgruntled customers as a result of their individual experiences. So if there is a finest FG trailer and a finest tow vehicle, I would say there are as as many “finest” as there are happy owners. I honestly like your Scamp 13 and the modifications you have made to it. While is a bit compact for my tastes, my tastes do not matter as you are the one who has to be pleased. For the record, I don’t get the adoration of the Duesenberg either!

CPW 09-13-2020 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by floyd (Post 793132)
Some say that the Duesenberg was the finest car ever built, I still prefer a Ford even from the same era... good, solid, reliable and relatively cheap.
Not sure which is the finest fiberglass trailer... Maybe Oliver? BigFoot? Nest? some even think it is Escape!
My Ford and my Scamp serve me well with a proven track record, I guess that's what counts.

Floyd, my dad always went all starry-eyed when he talked about Packards. Maybe a fine car but it ended up like the dodo..... extinct. I really don’t think that there is a finest fiberglass trailer. And I would NOT contest a single word in your last sentence because you include the very important qualifier “serve me well” but perhaps you should add “for me” after “proven track record.” I say that because I doubt there is a person alive who can honestly claim every item they have ever purchased/owned has served them well. And not everyone has had a proven track record with Ford or Scamp. Except for the recent EMP incident that was obviously beyond Ford’s control, I have not owned a Ford product that was a dud. But I’ve owned three Chrysler products and every one was a dud, which is why I will never own another. Yet there are many people who swear by Rams. Poor track record in my case, and good track record in theirs. I only wish that I could have had as good an experience with my Scamp as you have had with yours, but I didn’t. It would have saved me a ton of money and oodles of stress and frustration. But no matter what the product, there will always be some loyal consumers and some disgruntled customers as a result of their individual experiences. So if there is a finest FG trailer and a finest tow vehicle, I would say there are as as many “finest” as there are happy owners. I honestly like your Scamp 13 and the modifications you have made to it. While is a bit compact for my tastes, my tastes do not matter as you are the one who has to be pleased. For the record, I don’t get the adoration of the Duesenberg either!

Perryb67 09-14-2020 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo (Post 792747)
I don't understand this paragraph. It seems to contradict itself.

Opps! Should say Scamp and Escape.

Thanks,

Perry

Perryb67 09-14-2020 08:19 AM

Sometimes you have to consider the source. One person here is leaving out the fact he purchased the camper used. Of course he believed the seller that it had only been used a couple of times. Ya, ya, ya, I know how sales work. He PM'd me the problems and most were either vendor problems or problems that the previous owner created. There were so many things wrong he obviously didn't do his due diligence, but he continues to complain to this day; it all was the manufacturers fault. It gets old to listen to his diatribe. His glass is always half-empty.

We've owned a 2001 Scamp, 2007 Casita, 2003 Bigfoot, and a 2018 Escape, in that order. We've loved them all, and despite them all needing repairs, I'd purchase each one again. My glass is half-full. Actually, nearly full!

Enjoy,

Perry

floyd 09-14-2020 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by CPW (Post 793139)
Floyd, my dad always went all starry-eyed when he talked about Packards. Maybe a fine car but it ended up like the dodo..... extinct. I really don’t think that there is a finest fiberglass trailer. And I would NOT contest a single word in your last sentence because you include the very important qualifier “serve me well” but perhaps you should add “for me” after “proven track record.” I say that because I doubt there is a person alive who can honestly claim every item they have ever purchased/owned has served them well. And not everyone has had a proven track record with Ford or Scamp. Except for the recent EMP incident that was obviously beyond Ford’s control, I have not owned a Ford product that was a dud. But I’ve owned three Chrysler products and every one was a dud, which is why I will never own another. Yet there are many people who swear by Rams. Poor track record in my case, and good track record in theirs. I only wish that I could have had as good an experience with my Scamp as you have had with yours, but I didn’t. It would have saved me a ton of money and oodles of stress and frustration. But no matter what the product, there will always be some loyal consumers and some disgruntled customers as a result of their individual experiences. So if there is a finest FG trailer and a finest tow vehicle, I would say there are as as many “finest” as there are happy owners. I honestly like your Scamp 13 and the modifications you have made to it. While is a bit compact for my tastes, my tastes do not matter as you are the one who has to be pleased. For the record, I don’t get the adoration of the Duesenberg either!

You can say that again... No wait you already did!!
Oh! and the Duesenberg was so esteemed in its day that the phrase "Its a Duesy" was coined from it to bestow the highest compliment.

steve dunham 09-14-2020 10:17 AM

We are the second owner of our Escape , the original owner picked up the trailer from Escape in late February of 2018 and hauled it home. In May the original owner put the trailer up for sale due to health issues and we purchased it in June
Escape extended the full 2 year warranty to us as second owners because the trailer was in essence brand new
The sewer pipe from the black tank to the drain valve was improperly installed and leaked black water all over the floor . Escape was aware of the problem with the black tank ,and had a repair parts kit already in stock which they sent me
How that possibly is the previous owners fault or my lack of due diligence escapes me !!
Beyond that I have no intentions of starting a discussion with an uninformed party and I stand by my statements about the build quality of an Escape

Steve D

Dave and Kathie 09-14-2020 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by steve dunham (Post 793188)
We are the second owner of our Escape , the original owner picked up the trailer from Escape in late February of 2018 and hauled it home. In May the original owner put the trailer up for sale due to health issues and we purchased it in June
Escape extended the full 2 year warranty to us as second owners because the trailer was in essence brand new
The sewer pipe from the black tank to the drain valve was improperly installed and leaked black water all over the floor . Escape was aware of the problem with the black tank ,and had a repair parts kit already in stock which they sent me
How that possibly is the previous owners fault or my lack of due diligence escapes me !!
Beyond that I have no intentions of starting a discussion with an uninformed party and I stand by my statements about the build quality of an Escape

Steve D


As they say your mileage may vary. I don't know if there's such thing as the perfect trailer. We feel our escape is pretty close for us. We have had zero defects with our Escape and, I believe, that is the experience of hundreds of Escape owners (I'm basing that on the Escape Owners forum, Facebook page and the many owners we know or have met at get togethers). We had a Casita, also a nice trailer. We enjoy having a little more breathing room in the 21. Our son has a well loved Scamp - had to replace part of the floor that rotted - if you are trying to decide, don't forget Scamp does not have fiberglass on the bottom. But they love it! We have traveled thousands of miles all around the US in the Escape and have been very happy with it. Have fun looking. Get one and get out there and make some memories! If you're out having fun then you have the right trailer! It's all part of the adventure.

Happy trails, and as always, safe travels!
;) Kathie

thrifty bill 09-14-2020 11:25 AM

To me, all the brands are pretty decent.I can't knock one over another. The one thing I can say is the jalousie windows in my Trillium are great but not available in any of the new stuff.

The critical piece for us was floorplan. Fortunately, we have more than adequate tow capacity with our V8 F150 so we can pull most of the models out there. The E19 floor plan fit us well so thats what we have along with the Trillium 1300.

In the end, get what you like.

Raz 09-14-2020 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by thrifty bill (Post 793197)
To me, all the brands are pretty decent.I can't knock one over another. The one thing I can say is the jalousie windows in my Trillium are great but not available in any of the new stuff.

Happier Camper was using the same Hehr 8700 jalousie windows Scamp was. I'm not sure if they still are. Considering the complaints from folks with sliders, you would think others would.

MyronL 09-14-2020 01:13 PM

Complaints about sliders? I think not. But have read of many problems with the frameless windows. Like delamination, disconnection, opening when driving. Give me a (bomb-proof) slider any day.

Timber Wolf 09-14-2020 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by northwinds13 (Post 792642)
If I ever get another fiberglass trailer, it will be for a bigger bed. But every year I hang onto the Scamp, I’m saving money.

Sums up my thoughts. I have spent a lot of time and money moving my Scamp 16 in a direction of more usefulness for my style of camping. And more to go yet, but I do have 3 footitis and want an Escape 19 “for when I retire”;).

floyd 09-14-2020 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by northwinds13 (Post 792642)
If I ever get another fiberglass trailer, it will be for a bigger bed. But every year I hang onto the Scamp, I’m saving money.

Here's a "king" bed in my 13Scamp...

John in Santa Cruz 09-14-2020 11:57 PM

We had a Casita 16.... the bed was too small for the two of us, one of us had to crawl over the other to make midnight potty runs, and it was generally me. the dinette-bed conversion was too small for me (I'm 6' tall and 220 lbs). the grey water tank would fill up if my wife took one shower (I could take several sponge baths). the Casita 16 has a tiny fridge that's almost worthless. other than that it was great :)

so after a couple years, we upgraded to an Escape 21, which has an almost queen size longitudinal bed with a real mattress, has much bigger tanks, dual golf cart batteries and 160 watts solar, a GAS OVEN, a HUGE fridge/freezer and a very comfortable U shaped dinette, which I upgraded with a Springfield pedestal and dicor 2-way slider. I can stand up in the Escape without slouching. The Escape has way more storage, too.


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