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lpdolan 09-10-2020 05:07 PM

Recommendations for Ceramic Heaters
 
I am going to buy a new ceramic heater for our Scamp 19 to use when we have electricity. The biggest problem we have had in the past is that the heater thermostat allows a big variation in trailer temperature. I've read postings on here discussing this and there seemed to be an agreement on what ceramic heater works best but I have lost track of it. What suggestions do you have for us?

Thanks!

mary and bob 09-10-2020 05:39 PM

We also have had issues with the variation in temperatures of electric heaters. We have tried different brand heaters, have settled on a couple sizes of Vornado heaters but they didn't solve the on / off variation. Bought a programable thermostat that is supposed to be more accurate. It plugs into a outlet, heater plugs into it, so you would turn up the heater's thermostat and let the programable one control it. The one we have is a LUX / win100 that probably came from Amazon. However we have not tried it yet so don't know if it will solve the problem. Might be worth doing a little research on.

CPW 09-10-2020 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by lpdolan (Post 792790)
I am going to buy a new ceramic heater for our Scamp 19 to use when we have electricity. The biggest problem we have had in the past is that the heater thermostat allows a big variation in trailer temperature. I've read postings on here discussing this and there seemed to be an agreement on what ceramic heater works best but I have lost track of it. What suggestions do you have for us?

Thanks!

Go on Amazon and search for “thermostatically controlled plug.” About $30. You plug the heater into the plug, and insert the plug into the outlet. Set the quartz heater to the highest heat setting. There is a settable remote control that acts like a thermostat. You can place it anywhere and it cycles the ceramic heater on or off just like your home heating system.

Glenn Baglo 09-10-2020 06:55 PM

Many people never read the manual that comes with their electric heater.
Mine says to turn it to the highest setting, and when the temp in the space is comfortable, slowly turn the dial toward off, until the heater shuts down.

When the space cools, the heater will come on and then go off when it reaches that comfortable temp.

mary and bob 09-10-2020 07:41 PM

How to set the temperature is not the issue the OP has, it is the difference in temperature between off and on. I have found this common with some small electric heaters. You set the temperature by turning it, dial or digital, until the desired temperature is felt, then turn it down gradually until the heater shuts off. Most people can feel a variance in temperature of as little as 2 degrees. So the OP's heater probably drops more than 2 degrees before it comes back on, so he can easily feel the constant temperature change. It's not that he doesn't know how to set it. I too remember reading how some heaters don't have this wide range between off and back on, and therefore maintain a more even temperature, but don't remember which ones they are. A radiant type heater, rather than one with a fan may be better. A thermostat used in a home heating situation can be adjusted some to keep the temperature range at a minimum. Location of the heater and thermostat may affect the variance.

gordon2 09-10-2020 08:04 PM

If there is not good air flow throughout the camper then the ceramic heater will heat up the space near itself and cycle off, then cool off from all the cool air nearby and start up again.. rinse and repeat. The thermostat on the heater will react to the environment local to it (maybe a few feet away), and not so much to the macro environment. You could add a bigger fan to make sure that all the air in the camper is fully circulated throughout the camper. Or you could accept that this is camping (or a temporary home away from home), and live with a few degrees of temperature variation.

LyleB 09-10-2020 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by CPW (Post 792793)
Go on Amazon and search for “thermostatically controlled plug.” About $30. You plug the heater into the plug, and insert the plug into the outlet. Set the quartz heater to the highest heat setting. There is a settable remote control that acts like a thermostat. You can place it anywhere and it cycles the ceramic heater on or off just like your home heating system.

AGREE, 100%. I have had a LUX thermostat for my heaters for about 5 years now. Works GREAT and maintains the heat within about a 2-3 degree swing. It is designed for heaters or air conditioners.

Any old heater will work with it, just turn the heater thermostate to high, set the heater to either high or low (I usually leave it on low), plug it in to the LUX, and set the temperature you want on the LUX. Having the thermostat located away from the heater, instead of as part of it, greatly increases the performance.

This is the one I have - HIGHLY recommended:

https://www.amazon.com/Lux-Automatic...790580&sr=8-11

Glenn Baglo 09-10-2020 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by mary and bob (Post 792811)
How to set the temperature is not the issue the OP has, it is the difference in temperature between off and on.


Anybody have a thermostat on their camp fire?

Iowa Dave 09-11-2020 07:26 AM

Regulated campfire
 
Hi Glenn
You have to build a campfire with a “Star Fire lay”
Build it with all the same sized sticks of wood. Some two by fours cut up will work. When done watching the fire, if it’s not completely burned, pull the left over wood back and douse each of the burned ends and and the spot where it burned. The next fire, start with the other end. Even heat with a human two degree control.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qm_SSKzO8hU

Iowa “The Old Scoutmaster” Dave

Jon Vermilye 09-11-2020 08:42 AM

I use a Pelonis Ceramic Disk Furnace. The advantage is both the fan and the heater disks "turn down" when the set temperature is reached. Unless it is really cold out, it will slow down to barely audible. It is not off/on but has a built in dimmer. If it cools off, it will slowly increase the fan speed & heat.

A warning - mine is a 1986 model. I've been told that the newer ones are not a good as the older versions.

WaltP 09-11-2020 10:44 AM

Only a bit off topic: the ceiling fan setting of the Maxxfan provides a way to spread the heat evenly throughout the trailer no matter what heater you choose.


Walt

Rzrbrn 09-11-2020 10:57 AM

I realize the OP is asking about ceramic heaters, but we use a small oiled filled heater that has an even heat response and seems to keep the temp variation to a minimum. We used the in both the Casita and now in the Big Foot.

Captleemo 09-11-2020 11:01 AM

I use one of these Redstone ceramic heaters I got at Tractor Supply for about $20.00. I always use the 900 watt setting and it does a great job of heating my 17 foot Casita and it keeps a consistant temperature.

Captleemo 09-11-2020 11:03 AM

https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/pr...ceramic-heater

lpdolan 09-11-2020 12:05 PM

Thanks Everyone
 
I think what will work best for our situation is to buy a programable thermostat and use it with a heater that will allow the power to it to be turned off and then function again when the power comes back on. The heater I am currently using would not work with a remote thermostat. I am going to check out the heaters mentioned on this thread before making this purchase.

Thanks again,
Larry

Roselyn 09-11-2020 12:08 PM

We use a DeLongi ceramic technology heater. It's quiet, has remote control, eco mode, thermostat, rotates and can be put on timer. The one we have now is our second one; the first lasted 3-4 yrs. The furnace in our Casita is so noisy we never use it anymore. This is the link to it on the DeLongi site https://www.delonghi.com/en-us/produ...5er-0114492078

We purchased both the old and new ones at Lowes (on sale).

MJo 09-11-2020 12:20 PM

ceramic heater
 
I was thinking of a heater also. I found a little oil heater on Amazon Smile. Oil heaters take a little while to heat up but the advantage is that the steady heat lasts a while, and is quiet without having the noise of a blower fan coming off and on. Like the difference between hot water baseboard heat and air. I have one downstairs in my basement and it heats well, maintaining steady heat. I think overall, it is cheaper to run also. I’ll look it up and get back to you. MJo

MJo 09-11-2020 12:22 PM

I just looked and there are many brands and sizes and prices. MJo

steve dunham 09-11-2020 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Vermilye (Post 792848)
I use a Pelonis Ceramic Disk Furnace. The advantage is both the fan and the heater disks "turn down" when the set temperature is reached. Unless it is really cold out, it will slow down to barely audible. It is not off/on but has a built in dimmer. If it cools off, it will slowly increase the fan speed & heat.

A warning - mine is a 1986 model. I've been told that the newer ones are not a good as the older versions.

The original Pelonis heaters worked really well .
The newer models not so much . It seems that in an attempt to lower the price point they lowered the quality
A friend of ours had the old style Pelonis heater that lasted over 20 years
When he bought a replacement Pelonis it did not work as well as the old one and failed after 2 years .

Darwin Maring 09-11-2020 02:31 PM

ME, I wintered for 5 years Monday to Thursday night at the Navy Patuxent River Camp Ground and like the non fan type space heater with a thermostat. No Noise and they heat up the camper really well.

gordon2 09-11-2020 02:39 PM

I'll agree that the quiet oil filled heaters are an excellent way to go (except for the slow warm up), the challenge is to find one sized for our little campers. The one I have for the house is 1500 watts and four times the physical size of the ceramic heater. So if anyone has a good suggestion for a smaller oil filled heater, speak up.

Glenn Baglo 09-11-2020 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by gordon2 (Post 792870)
if anyone has a good suggestion for a smaller oil filled heater, speak up.


Google "oil-filled 800 watt heater"
I have one. It's still four times the size of my electric cube heater.

CPW 09-11-2020 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by steve dunham (Post 792866)
The original Pelonis heaters worked really well .
The newer models not so much . It seems that in an attempt to lower the price point they lowered the quality
A friend of ours had the old style Pelonis heater that lasted over 20 years
When he bought a replacement Pelonis it did not work as well as the old one and failed after 2 years .

I had two of the originals. I have one of them to a friend who had a small greenhouse and needed to add heat on chilly nights. The second survived an Aliner, a Scamp, and one year of an Escape. I went to adjust it one night and the control knob was loose. It was basically a knob with a plastic shaft with a half-moon recess on the bottom that fit on and operated the internal mechanism. While I could adjust the temperature with needle nose pliers, it wasn’t convenient. I could say it “broke my heart” because the original Pelonis was the best quartz heater I have ever used. The one I now use is OK, but it is definitely not as good.

MJo 09-11-2020 04:48 PM

I saw some small oil ones on Amazon for around $60-70. The are taller but not much more floor space than a fan one. I have a dog and a cat so I like that the fan isn’t blowing in their faces and that it’s quiet.

Darwin Maring 09-11-2020 08:23 PM

Amazon, Lowes, Home Depot has heaters

Stevieboy 09-12-2020 01:01 PM

I use 3 heated floor mats. Silent and you get a warm floor to walk on.

Darwin Maring 09-12-2020 01:12 PM

Can someone explain what is so great about ceramic heaters?

Rzrbrn 09-12-2020 05:26 PM

Stevieboy , please note make and model of your heated floor mats. I have not encountered these. 12v or 120v?

gordon2 09-12-2020 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Darwin Maring (Post 792957)
Can someone explain what is so great about ceramic heaters?

Cheap, small, efficient, not too loud, safe.. and this.. shamelessly stolen from the web:

One of the many benefits of using a ceramic heater is that it provides a constant source of heat but doesn’t get hot enough to pose a fire hazard or burn risk. Since the heating elements in a ceramic heater are completely surrounded by the ceramic parts, this heater is safer than some other types that can produce sparks or other safety hazards if the heating elements fail.

These kinds of heaters provide a lot of heat for their size and are ideal for smaller areas, like offices or dens or to provide extra heating in colder areas. You can also use these heaters in front of windows to reduce draughts, which can help keep an entire room warmer during the winter.

Most ceramic heaters can be set to two different temperatures so you can regulate how much heat your unit emits. This option is very affordable and is a great choice if you are looking for something to supplement your main source of heating or to heat up a smaller room.

CPW 09-12-2020 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Darwin Maring (Post 792957)
Can someone explain what is so great about ceramic heaters?

Darwin, I’m not sure anyone said they were great. Some people love InstaPots, others wouldn’t have them. Some people smoke and think cigars are great. Some people think it is great to put rope lights around their campsite and leave them on all night long. Some people drink coffee daily. That doesn’t mean coffee is great because some people drink tea. I use a quartz heater because I am on campground utility hookups more often than I boondock. I don’t have to use propane I paid for which can be used elsewhere when I can use electricity I am paying for and it is less noisy than the furnace. That doesn’t make it great; it just makes it useful under certain conditions. What is so great about a jack? You may not think it great until you need it. Some people think Facebook is the greatest thing since sliced bread; I do not use any social media and I never will. If you find something beneficial, it is great item for you. If you don’t use that type of item, then you wouldn’t think of it as great. And even though I am responding to your question, I have to wonder why you would even bother to ask such a question.

Darwin Maring 09-12-2020 05:57 PM

I made a mistake by asking why ceramic heaters are great.
I have a couple and find that I prefer a non fan heating element type of heater with a thermostat better.

Anyway, Thank you both for your replys.

gordon2 09-12-2020 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Darwin Maring (Post 793000)
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I have a couple and find that I prefer a non fan heating element type of heater with a thermostat better....

I am no fan of the fan either ;)
What heater did you use at the Navy Patuxent River Camp? As I mentioned above.. I like the oil filler heaters except that most are large and all are slow to warm up the camper.

Oh yea, add one plus for the fan driven ceramic heater.. it warms up the space quickly.

Glenn Baglo 09-12-2020 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by CPW (Post 792996)
Some people think Facebook is the greatest thing since sliced bread; I do not use any social media and I never will.

Ummmm. This forum is social media. :hmm

CPW 09-13-2020 04:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo (Post 793012)
Ummmm. This forum is social media. :hmm

My mistake in not being specific enough in my statement. I will not use social media that is not responsible enough to monitor content. Any “forum” that will remove false or hateful content I do not find objectionable. Facebook, Twitter, and others (I want nothing to do with them) are what I consider social/irresponsible. I see FGRV and other “specific content” sites as informational and places where most posters are helpful.

Darwin Maring 09-13-2020 09:47 AM

Gordon,
I had several element type and because it was in the off season there were no campers on either side so I had extension cords to both sides to suck the free electricity to power my 3 heaters. Slantfin, Long and close to the floor. Im not sure if they had oil in them or not but they did have thermostats and kept the camper warm except for extreme cold when I used the propane furnace with them. This was back from 95toY2K so I suspect those models are long gone. My Camper was a long stick built back then so I had the room for the heaters.

Darwin Maring 09-13-2020 12:22 PM

Here you go. A plethora of convection heaters with and without thermostadts that take up very little roon in all ranges of wattages.

conniej 09-16-2020 10:56 AM

we use this Lasco - we just returned from Yellowstone where we ended up with lows in the teens overnight - and this one worked great. We do not keep it on all night - we found that if we get our 13 toasty warm before falling asleep it will stay fairly warm until I wake up about 2 am :loltu then I turned it on for about 5 minutes to warm us up until we got up in the morning. We LOVED it!https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Yank 09-16-2020 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo (Post 792816)
Anybody have a thermostat on their camp fire?

Sure Glenn, it is programmable and just used it last night. Lol

Geronimo John 09-16-2020 12:01 PM

"Put It On High" - ONLY if required!
 
I'm a retired Mechanical Engineer with over 45 years in the HVAC business. Some comments about the above responses:

Use of the Max Fan on a low setting to circulate the trailer air is a great idea. I frankly had not thought of that..... duhhhhh....

However, I don't agree with the suggestion to "Put It On High" and leave it there. Here is why..

I agree that conditions on occasion requires this setting. For example if it is extremely cold and you need all the heat or cooling possible. Sort of like using a ten pound hammer to drive finishing nails. It will work, but not so well.

For both A/C and heating, it is always best to use an output that is just more capable than the load. This alone will give the best comfort as the machine is cycling much less. Less cycling gives more even temperatures.

So, I suggest turning the unit on to high to warm or cool the area, and then using a lower setting for the evening. If the unit can't keep up, then go back to the high setting.

That said, trailer and unit limitations are different for each of us. If my recommendation does not work for you, then see the above responses and spend some more money.

mszabo 09-16-2020 12:11 PM

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

Judi in NC 09-16-2020 12:26 PM

I have just used a ceramic heater (I have several different brands/models to use in my workshop, studio, garage, etc. as I work on art different times of the year) and had no trouble in my 16'.

I did enjoy adding an electric blanket last year and that was marvelous for the nights that were cool/not that cold and I knew I wasn't going to be in the trailer during the day. Toasty!

CPW 09-16-2020 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Geronimo John (Post 793425)
I'm a retired Mechanical Engineer with over 45 years in the HVAC business. Some comments about the above responses:

However, I don't agree with the suggestion to "Put It On High" and leave it there. Here is why..

I agree that conditions on occasion requires this setting. For example if it is extremely cold and you need all the heat or cooling possible. Sort of like using a ten pound hammer to drive finishing nails. It will work, but not so well.

For both A/C and heating, it is always best to use an output that is just more capable than the load. This alone will give the best comfort as the machine is cycling much less. Less cycling gives more even temperatures.

So, I suggest turning the unit on to high to warm or cool the area, and then using a lower setting for the evening. If the unit can't keep up, then go back to the high setting.

That said, trailer and unit limitations are different for each of us. If my recommendation does not work for you, then see the above responses and spend some more money.

The control knob on almost all ceramic heaters is really a thermostat, and they are typically not very accurate. If they are dual wattage ceramic heaters, say 900w or 1500w, when on that is what their output is. The control knob does NOT raise or lower the heat output. When I posted to put it on high when using a remote control thermostat, I meant turn the heaters thermostat to high so that it will not override the remote control thermostat, which will turn the heater on and off at a set temperature, and do so far more accurately than the “built-in” thermostat. Every time I thought I had found the “sweet spot” and marked the dial, the next time I used the heater it would either come on at a lower or a higher temperature.

FIJI 09-16-2020 03:04 PM

Pelonis
 
Another vote for Pelonis. Especially if you can find one of the brown/metal versions instead of the newer plastic. Both work, but I prefer the old style


Quote:

Originally Posted by Jon Vermilye (Post 792848)
I use a Pelonis Ceramic Disk Furnace. The advantage is both the fan and the heater disks "turn down" when the set temperature is reached. Unless it is really cold out, it will slow down to barely audible. It is not off/on but has a built in dimmer. If it cools off, it will slowly increase the fan speed & heat.

A warning - mine is a 1986 model. I've been told that the newer ones are not a good as the older versions.


borrisrex777 09-16-2020 04:47 PM

Dennis Hanson
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lpdolan (Post 792790)
I am going to buy a new ceramic heater for our Scamp 19 to use when we have electricity. The biggest problem we have had in the past is that the heater thermostat allows a big variation in trailer temperature. I've read postings on here discussing this and there seemed to be an agreement on what ceramic heater works best but I have lost track of it. What suggestions do you have for us?

Thanks!

I installed a electric 120vac baseboard wall mount thermostat that turns the designated plug in on and off, works like a dream!


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