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12-11-2018, 08:18 PM
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Member
Name: John & Joanne
Trailer: UHaul CT13
New Hampshire
Posts: 39
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Venza towing UHaul 13/Scamp 13
I'm thinking of a Venza V6 AWD to tow our UHaul 13 (tongue abt 200lbs, loaded wt abt 1500 lbs). Some Venzas come with a "tow package" that includes an an oil cooler, larger fan, larger alt. My questions:
1. Is anyone towing a similar low wt camper w/o the tow package? For instance, is the stock alt at 120A large enough to handle the minimal lighting. Can running in the "manual 5" mode decrease the wear on the engine and trans without the cooler?
2. If I purchased a V6 w/o the tow package can it be retrofitted, perhaps with just a larger fan or oil cooler. (I read the alt is a pain to replace.)
3. Most important: anybody towing this wt camper with a Venza? What's your experience?
Thanks for your help.
John
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12-11-2018, 08:32 PM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,926
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We towed a 13' Scamp with a 2000 3.0L V6 Sienna without the tow prep package, rated 2000#. Our Scamp is a very basic unit similar to a U-Haul. It pulled beautifully until we encountered severe conditions on our first trip and the transmission overheated. "Severe conditions" consisted of a 10 mile, 7% grade against a 35-40 mph headwind in 103*F ambient temperature (WB I-8 headed into San Diego).
The engine temperature gauge never moved, and we were not pushing it speed-wise (35-40mph, OD off per the owner's manual). Sensors caught the overheating condition and sent it into limp mode before catastrophic damage occurred. After a 45 minute cool-down we finished the climb. I did a transmission service before the return trip, and the fluid showed slight discoloration. No issues on the return trip.
I would definitely add an ATF cooler. Based on my experience I think you will be fine without upgrading the alternator or fan. We were only running 4-pin wiring at that time, so no charge line or brakes. Brakes are highly recommended. I wish they still made the Venza. It's a nice-sized tow vehicle for a small egg trailer.
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12-11-2018, 08:53 PM
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Member
Name: John & Joanne
Trailer: UHaul CT13
New Hampshire
Posts: 39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon in AZ
We towed a 13' Scamp with a 2000 3.0L V6 Sienna without the tow prep package, rated 2000#. Our Scamp is a very basic unit similar to a U-Haul. It pulled beautifully until we encountered severe conditions on our first trip and the transmission overheated. "Severe conditions" consisted of a 10 mile, 7% grade against a 35-40 mph headwind in 103*F ambient temperature (WB I-8 headed into San Diego).
The engine temperature gauge never moved, and we were not pushing it speed-wise (35-40mph, OD off per the owner's manual). Sensors caught the overheating condition and sent it into limp mode before catastrophic damage occurred. After a 45 minute cool-down we finished the climb. I did a transmission service before the return trip, and the fluid showed slight discoloration. No issues on the return trip.
I would definitely add an ATF cooler. Based on my experience I think you will be fine without upgrading the alternator or fan. We were only running 4-pin wiring at that time, so no charge line or brakes. Brakes are highly recommended. I wish they still made the Venza. It's a nice-sized tow vehicle for a small egg trailer.
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"Severe conditions" - I guess so - it was bad enough until the 103* temp and then it got really bad! This is what I was looking for - someone with actual experience. I'll look into the ATF cooler - odd that they have an engine oil cooler but not an ATF cooler in the tow package. I've read that the trans is the weak spot, and your experience verifies that. Thanks for your reply.
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12-11-2018, 08:54 PM
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Senior Member
Name: bob
Trailer: 1996 Casita 17 Spirit Deluxe; 1946 Modernistic teardrop
New York
Posts: 5,413
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The Uhaul 13 does not have brakes and can not easily be retrofitted with them, other than replacing the axle. The tow rating of many vehicles is dependent on whether the trailer has brakes or not, the rating being lower if no brakes.
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12-12-2018, 08:07 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,926
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Regarding transmission use when towing, best to consult the owner's manual. See both the transmission section and the towing section.
We're on our second tow vehicle, and each has somewhat different transmission recommendations when towing. In general, newer vehicles have more sophisticated transmission control software and require less driver adjustment.
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12-12-2018, 09:06 AM
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Senior Member
Name: John
Trailer: 2019 Oliver Elite II
Texas
Posts: 367
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Why do so many what to turn the family vehicle into a tow vehicle, shouldn't it be the other way around, get a tow vehicle and use it as the family vehicle.
trainman
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12-12-2018, 10:21 AM
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Senior Member
Name: Jon
Trailer: 2008 Scamp 13 S1
Arizona
Posts: 11,926
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So what's your definition of a "tow vehicle"?
Mine is any vehicle with a tow rating, equipped with required towing equipment, and used within manufacturer's specs to tow a trailer.
We are not suggesting ignoring any manufacturer's ratings here, only about optimizing a competent vehicle to tow within its ratings.
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12-12-2018, 10:54 AM
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Member
Name: John & Joanne
Trailer: UHaul CT13
New Hampshire
Posts: 39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trainman
Why do so many what to turn the family vehicle into a tow vehicle, shouldn't it be the other way around, get a tow vehicle and use it as the family vehicle.
trainman
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It's a practical and budget decision: we're using a vehicle to tow maybe 10% of the time. So we want a vehicle that my wife (esp) feels comfortable driving for the other 90% but one that can also tow a small camper. We haven't ruled out a mid-sized SUV, but the Venza seems comparable in towing (V6) to an Edge or Terrain, for instance, with a more manageable size. That's why I'm asking the questions about the Venza.
If money weren't an issue, we'd buy a V6 4-door truck with a cap as our tow vehicle and also have a sedan in the driveway.
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12-12-2018, 06:35 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Julie
Trailer: Trillium 1300
Ontario
Posts: 5
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I don't know all the details one should provide to help so here is everything i can think of for you...
We have a 2016 V6 Venza AWD but no fancy tow package. The manual gave us a 3500lb tow max.
We tow a '74 Trillium 1300 with generally a 200 to 250lb tongue weight and have a 7 pin wiring harness. (Trailer is about 1800lbs loaded)
In 2016/17 we traveled around 15,000 km (trips around Ontario then down to Florida and all the spaces in between) We had absolutely zero issues with transmission or brakes etc.
In 2018 we added trailer brakes and another 15,000 kms by heading West across all of Ontario & Manitoba then down through the Dakota's into the Rockies and through Yellowstone etc. (fantastic trip FYI). Again we had zero issues with anything vehicle related - we even wonder if the trailer brakes were a bit of overkill
We love our Venza and find it to be an amazing tow vehicle.
Hope this helps.
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12-12-2018, 07:36 PM
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Member
Name: John & Joanne
Trailer: UHaul CT13
New Hampshire
Posts: 39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Julie.OC
I don't know all the details one should provide to help so here is everything i can think of for you...
We have a 2016 V6 Venza AWD but no fancy tow package. The manual gave us a 3500lb tow max.
We tow a '74 Trillium 1300 with generally a 200 to 250lb tongue weight and have a 7 pin wiring harness. (Trailer is about 1800lbs loaded)
In 2016/17 we traveled around 15,000 km (trips around Ontario then down to Florida and all the spaces in between) We had absolutely zero issues with transmission or brakes etc.
In 2018 we added trailer brakes and another 15,000 kms by heading West across all of Ontario & Manitoba then down through the Dakota's into the Rockies and through Yellowstone etc. (fantastic trip FYI). Again we had zero issues with anything vehicle related - we even wonder if the trailer brakes were a bit of overkill
We love our Venza and find it to be an amazing tow vehicle.
Hope this helps.
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Hi Julie,
We're glad you noticed our post. Yes, your experience is helpful and reassuring. Our campers are similar weight so I think we'd feel confident with a Venza. We too want to head out west! Thanks so much. John
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12-12-2018, 07:40 PM
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Member
Name: John & Joanne
Trailer: UHaul CT13
New Hampshire
Posts: 39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mary and bob
The Uhaul 13 does not have brakes and can not easily be retrofitted with them, other than replacing the axle. The tow rating of many vehicles is dependent on whether the trailer has brakes or not, the rating being lower if no brakes.
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I realize adding brakes to the UHaul is not a reasonable option without some major work and expense. We're towing with an old Ranger now and my first surprise was how the camper wants to keep pushing you when you want to stop - anticipation became very important! John
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12-12-2018, 07:54 PM
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#12
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Member
Name: John & Joanne
Trailer: UHaul CT13
New Hampshire
Posts: 39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Julie.OC
I don't know all the details one should provide to help so here is everything i can think of for you...
We have a 2016 V6 Venza AWD but no fancy tow package. The manual gave us a 3500lb tow max.
We tow a '74 Trillium 1300 with generally a 200 to 250lb tongue weight and have a 7 pin wiring harness. (Trailer is about 1800lbs loaded)
In 2016/17 we traveled around 15,000 km (trips around Ontario then down to Florida and all the spaces in between) We had absolutely zero issues with transmission or brakes etc.
In 2018 we added trailer brakes and another 15,000 kms by heading West across all of Ontario & Manitoba then down through the Dakota's into the Rockies and through Yellowstone etc. (fantastic trip FYI). Again we had zero issues with anything vehicle related - we even wonder if the trailer brakes were a bit of overkill
We love our Venza and find it to be an amazing tow vehicle.
Hope this helps.
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Hi Julie (again),
I meant to write that I read somewhere that all Canadian Venzas have the tow package as "standard" - could that be? Maybe you have the benefit of the oil cooler, larger fan, and larger alt. Also, it looks like the Venza was made for export for a few years after it was discontinued in the U.S. in 2015, hence your 2016 model. John
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12-12-2018, 08:53 PM
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Junior Member
Name: Julie
Trailer: Trillium 1300
Ontario
Posts: 5
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Yes, Canada had an extra year of Venza's than the US however, I do not believe that towing packages were included. We negotiated the hitch and 7 pin harness and they were installed by a third party co.
We have the base model v6 because all others had a panoramic glass roof that doesn't allow for roof racks which we need.
I could share our specs sheet if you like.
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12-12-2018, 09:01 PM
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Senior Member
Trailer: Escape 17 ft
Posts: 8,317
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Julie.OC
Yes, Canada had an extra year of Venza's than the US however, I do not believe that towing packages were included. We negotiated the hitch and 7 pin harness and they were installed by a third party co.
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The hitch receiver and 7-pin were not part of the tow prep package. My 2008 RAV4 Sport had the tow prep package which included larger alternator, transmission fluid cooler and larger radiator. These were standard in Canada and optional in the US at the time. My hitch receiver and installation of brake controller and 7-pin was done by a third party at the dealership.
The key is the word "preparation" in prep package.
If you have your dealer run the VIN they can tell you if you have the package or not.
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12-13-2018, 08:51 AM
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Senior Member
Name: JD
Trailer: Scamp 16 Modified (BIGLY)
Florida
Posts: 2,445
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Personally We did a lot of research on minivans and towing and the one that clearly had a towing package speced out (and it was not that easy to find either) was the Chrysler T&C with the added heavy duty cooling for engine and transmission along with self levelers for the rear and rated for WDH.
I think that the T&C is the only minivan rated for use with the WDH and the paperwork with the FACTORY hitch says that one should be used over 1800 lbs.
It all goes together, the tow limit, the balance (WDH), brakes, Trailer module for the computer and the heavy duty cooling.
None of the other manufacturers offer all of this, even as hard as it is to track down for Chrysler.
Of course it is still a Chrysler so there is THAT both ways, good and bad. Chrysler says that the T&C conforms to SAE J2807 as well.
We towed through the Yellowstone and Glacier national parks and mountains and put 9300 miles on the rig (heavy 16' Scamp) with no problems what ever and averaged 16 MPG.
I am glad we bought the minivan to replace the competent, but smaller VW Sportwagen
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12-13-2018, 10:55 AM
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Senior Member
Trailer: No Trailer Yet
Posts: 700
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Glenn Baglo
My 2008 RAV4 Sport had the tow prep package which included larger alternator, transmission fluid cooler and larger radiator. These were standard in Canada and optional in the US at the time.
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Same with the canadian Highlander AWD (and the Sienna AWD too I think). Add a hitch and the 7-pin and go.
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12-21-2018, 04:33 PM
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Member
Name: ROY AND BETH
Trailer: BIGFOOT 21 FB
Florida
Posts: 81
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Quote:
Originally Posted by trainman
Why do so many what to turn the family vehicle into a tow vehicle, shouldn't it be the other way around, get a tow vehicle and use it as the family vehicle.
trainman
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exactly. Start with a 1500 WITH TOW PACKAGE. pASS All THOSE SUV WANNA BEES!!
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